Will the plane take off?? Finally going to be answered.***

[GoochJuice]

this right here is a shitty picture of why i think the plane will not fly.

a plane flies because of the effect that the air flowing over the wings has, in generating lift. in picture one i tried to show this but my picture sucks ***. its basically just showing how the air, which is in red, flows over the wings when its in motion, whether it be on a runway, or in the air.

in picture two, try to imagine that the conveyor belt is moving to the left, at the same exact speed that the plane is moving to the right due to the thrust that is developed by the prop (the red arrows directly behind the prop are just to show that there will be a tiny bit of air flow going over the wings, but no enough to produce lift). the red "fog" if you will is the air that is stagnant. yes there is some thrust being produced to keep the plane pulling forward (so that it matches the speed and essentially stays put in one spot), but the stagnant air is not being effected in anyway shape or form. you would need the air plane to move faster than the converyor belt to cut through the air in order to develope lift by having it moving over and under the wings.

yes my picture sucks but at least TRY to see how im getting my logic instead of just bashing my paint skills //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=karimyth busterscb3.jpg
^^^Put it together. And it's actually Alexandra Sim-Wise, but they look very similar. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

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My "common sense" tells me that it wont take off without foward momentum, which it will not have being basically stationary on a treadmill...
Maybe there is some weird science that comes into play...but it seems pretty logical that it wont take off without going forward first.

Anyone wanna argue? Or educate? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

my common sense tells me you need to read the **** thread, idiot.

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

this right here is a shitty picture of why i think the plane will not fly.
a plane flies because of the effect that the air flowing over the wings has, in generating lift. in picture one i tried to show this but my picture sucks ***. its basically just showing how the air, which is in red, flows over the wings when its in motion, whether it be on a runway, or in the air.

in picture two, try to imagine that the conveyor belt is moving to the left, at the same exact speed that the plane is moving to the right due to the thrust that is developed by the prop (the red arrows directly behind the prop are just to show that there will be a tiny bit of air flow going over the wings, but no enough to produce lift). the red "fog" if you will is the air that is stagnant. yes there is some thrust being produced to keep the plane pulling forward (so that it matches the speed and essentially stays put in one spot), but the stagnant air is not being effected in anyway shape or form. you would need the air plane to move faster than the converyor belt to cut through the air in order to develope lift by having it moving over and under the wings.

yes my picture sucks but at least TRY to see how im getting my logic instead of just bashing my paint skills //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

you also need to read the thread. the exact reasons why you are an idiot have already been stated. you should be able to find them in the last several pages.

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

Nioce

 

[iagrdshaka 5,000+ posts]

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[iagrdshaka 5,000+ posts]

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YOU KNOW!!

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

lol, i dig it

YOU KNOW!!

o ya, i kno //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Paaco1981 10+ year member]

Solved....The Plane will still take off ;p

 

[Mitch86 5,000+ posts]

my common sense tells me you need to read the **** thread, idiot.

You're an ***. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I even left room for me to be wrong and you still attack me as if I were going agianst you...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif Like I said, there could possibly be forces comming into play that I dont totally understand. To me, the whole point of this experiment would be to have the plane stationary on a conveyer and see if it can take off. The idea is not wether or not the plane can overcome the conveyer and move forward. Of course if it overcomes the conveyer and moves forward it will fly...there is no questioning that. Isnt the whole point that the conveyer is supposed to keep the plane from going forward?

 

[GoochJuice]

wow hoss you're a piece of shit. stop calling everyone else an idiot. i read the thread and googled the info i see just as many people who seem very educated argue BOTH sides of the subject, Mr. High and Mighty //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Devillain: if your picture is correct, then i am misunderstanding the myth. i thought the idea was that the plane was suppose to remain stationary, not that the plane was allowed to build up more speed than the treadmill. your picture shows exactly what i was saying, that the plane thrust overtakes the treadmill, builds up speed and then produces lift...

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

Isnt the whole point that the conveyer is supposed to keep the plane from going forward?

but the whole point of what we have been saying is that a conveyor belt, by itself, cannot keep an airplane stationary...

it would need some extra kind of force, in order to do that. the way you are looking at it, the question would look more like "can a stationary airplane take off", or "can an airplane that has been tethered into a stationary position take off". and the answer there, would be no.

but if you put an airplane on a treadmill, and dont apply any extra forces, the planes propulsion system will act just like it always does, the only difference being the wheels rotational speed.

and i may be an ***, but im an *** that understands the question and what is happening //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

wow hoss you're a piece of shit. stop calling everyone else an idiot. i read the thread and googled the info i see just as many people who seem very educated argue BOTH sides of the subject, Mr. High and Mighty //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

im not calling everyone else an idiot, just the people who by this point in the conversation still cant figure out whats going on...

you just so happened to fall into that category.

 

[GoochJuice]

but the whole point of what we have been saying is that a conveyor belt, by itself, cannot keep an airplane stationary...
it would need some extra kind of force, in order to do that. the way you are looking at it, the question would look more like "can a stationary airplane take off", or "can an airplane that has been tethered into a stationary position take off". and the answer there, would be no.

but if you put an airplane on a treadmill, and dont apply any extra forces, the planes propulsion system will act just like it always does, the only difference being the wheels rotational speed.

and i may be an ***, but im an *** that understands the question and what is happening //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

first bold: exactly so in that case the plane is suppose to slow down...

second bold: well tons of people in this thread are thinking the same thing. i can GUARANTEE, that 99% of these would agree the plane will take off if they saw our 2 posts right here. obviously the myth needs some clarification.

 

[Mitch86 5,000+ posts]

but the whole point of what we have been saying is that a conveyor belt, by itself, cannot keep an airplane stationary...
it would need some extra kind of force, in order to do that. the way you are looking at it, the question would look more like "can a stationary airplane take off", or "can an airplane that has been tethered into a stationary position take off". and the answer there, would be no.

but if you put an airplane on a treadmill, and dont apply any extra forces, the planes propulsion system will act just like it always does, the only difference being the wheels rotational speed.

and i may be an ***, but im an *** that THINKS he understands the question and what is happening //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

YES I ASSUME THAT THE PLANE IS SUPPOSED TO BE STATIONARY. THAT IS THE POINT.

If the plane is allowed to thrust forward, why would there be any question wether it could take off? That defeats the whole purpose of putting it on a treadmill... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif