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[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Depends how much you value human life, doesn' it.

I'm going with replacement cost

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

The replacement value of the theif is zero, as new theives are not desired. Therefore, the racist was defending the item with the highest replacement value.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

The replacement value of the theif is zero, as new theives are not desired. Therefore, the racist was defending the item with the highest replacement value.

You're defining a the whole from only one part and your definition is far too narrow. No life is accurately characterized in that manner.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

The thief is the one who decided that risking his life was worth less than the items he could potentially steal... it was his decision.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

You're defining a the whole from only one part and your definition is far too narrow. No life is accurately characterized in that manner.

Why not?

We place value on criminals all the time?

Society must feel that criminals subtract value from society....so we put them in prison to prohibit them from doing so. The cost of of incarceration is less than the their reduction in value to society; therefore the project is a cost saver.

But I assume a man's actions define the man. If you steal, you are a theif. And I place the value of a theif at zero. Not because of the mere loss of possessions, but the distrust of society in creates. Notice after a few people have been scammed it is hard to sell.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Why not?
We place value on criminals all the time?

Society must feel that criminals subtract value from society....so we put them in prison to prohibit them from doing so. The cost of of incarceration is less than the their reduction in value to society; therefore the project is a cost saver.

Society values the criminal's life more than any amount of property, that is why there is no capital punishment for theft conviction.

But I assume a man's actions define the man. If you steal, you are a theif. And I place the value of a theif at zero. Not because of the mere loss of possessions, but the distrust of society in creates. Notice after a few people have been scammed it is hard to sell.

Now you are claiming that one act encompasses all of a man's actions and thereby defines him. In err, you are deriving an ideal type, in a weberian sense, from only one of many actions and roles that constitute a life.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I am expressing my opinion, not a reflection of society.

I should have prefaced the whole thing with my opinion....

But I do fall into the trap defining a man by an action....especially when regarding profession.

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

If someone is breaking into a house (mine or around me) I will assume I am in danger and go on a shooting rampage.

:salute: God bless America.

Other countries cut off hands, this is *scratches his head* sorta the same thing.

:shrug: no hand, no life...whatever

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I totally agree with Faulkton. If a court of law does not deem robbery to be a crime in which you can be given the death penalty, then there is no way a citizen can take a thief's life.

I would agree if the citizen had subdued or captured the thieves, but there is no way he should have shot or killed them. Even police officers, who are the working cogs in our justice system, are not permitted to shoot a burglar at will...so why should a citizen be allowed to do so?

It's murder.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Society must feel that criminals subtract value from society....so we put them in prison to prohibit them from doing so. The cost of of incarceration is less than the their reduction in value to society; therefore the project is a cost saver.

even though you have already conceded by impotently prefacing your thoughts in the afterword, i still feel the need to point out that this line of reasoning is more about the cost of their actions instead of their replacement cost.

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

I totally agree with Faulkton. If a court of law does not deem robbery to be a crime in which you can be given the death penalty, then there is no way a citizen can take a thief's life.
I would agree if the citizen had subdued or captured the thieves, but there is no way he should have shot or killed him. Even police officers, who are the working cogs in our justice system, are not permitted to shoot a burglar at will...so why should a citizen be allowed to do so?

It's murder.

Police may not be allowed to shoot, but citizens are. If the supreme court hears this and lets him go, then in the state of Texas you will be allowed to kill anyone breaking into houses.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

This is like the idiot who said everyone should have a gun and should be able to do as they please. Just go around shooting anyone you want whenever you feel it's necessary.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Police may not be allowed to shoot, but citizens are. If the supreme court hears this and lets him go, then in the state of Texas you will be allowed to kill anyone breaking into houses.

Since this is such a good idea we should probably expand this policy to include the use of deadly force against anyone seen committing any crime.

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

This is like the idiot who said everyone should have a gun and should be able to do as they please. Just go around shooting anyone you want whenever you feel it's necessary.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it. All I am saying is that if the supreme court listens to the case and passes judgement, that will be the law.

We can debate it for the rest of the evening, but they make the laws (not some people on a car audio forum)

They want some DEEBEEZ, they come here, we want the law, we go see them

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

Since this is such a good idea we should probably expand this policy to include the use of deadly force against anyone seen committing any crime.

Would you at least agree that crime would reduce after some time? I mean who would consider breaking a law with that in mind?

Works in other countries. Now, I know they don't use deadly force for everything but public hangings, hands being cut off public beatings etc.

When I worked at Sears in my youth I stole TONS of stuff (I bet over 10,000 over the few years I worked there). I got caught and was given a 115 dollar fine and house arrest. I was off of house arrest after 3 weeks due to being an excellent student.

Now in this example, maybe the manager of sears could have, should have shot me (I wouldn't have wanted that) but really, everything I took and they got nothing back in return. If I would have known that I was going to be beaten in public, or even shot, I'm sure I would have thought otherwise.

The fact is that even being 16 I knew that the laws were in my favor.