why that was nice

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

communism? que?

Welfare is a step towards communism.

 

[Dozy_production 10+ year member]

Who ends up taking care of the kids if they are taken away?

It goes right back to the rich.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Who ends up taking care of the kids if they are taken away?

It goes right back to the rich.

Who ends up 'taking care' of the kids if the parents cant keep them in school or financially support them in the first place - the government. I say at least take them away from the worthless parents and give them to another relative to try. If there are no other relatives send them to a foster home or an orphanage. The government is already picking up the tab, they might as well at least try to ensure the kids grow up to be contributing members of society instead of worthless, criminal, parasitic trash.

 

[Dozy_production 10+ year member]

or just take them to nike sweatshops?

 

[hoxie08 5,000+ posts]

I agree with you completely on this one!!! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

Thing is, do you really think that the poorest people squeezing out kids in the ghetto actually even know what an income tax credit is? They are usually highly uneducated, especially about money (after all, they're poor).

I doubt it ever crosses their mind until they go to H+R block and someone explains it to them. I think it's unlikely that this program plays a role in encouraging the poor to have kids--not that I agree with it either.

 

[2wheeler 10+ year member]

Any behavior that is rewarded, is encouraged. So the welfare system and to a lesser extent the tax code encourages irresponsible reproduction. But instead of having the Govt get deeper into our lives as you are suggesting, why don't we just stop paying for irresponsible breeding?? Cut the budget for welfare programs by 50% immediately, then another 5 or 10% a year until the program is gone. Saves money and encourages responsibility for ones actions. It will be hard for the first generation of "on your own" kids, but in the long run it could save our country.

I'm sick of seeing parisitical scum living on my money...

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Thing is, do you really think that the poorest people squeezing out kids in the ghetto actually even know what an income tax credit is? They are usually highly uneducated, especially about money (after all, they're poor).
I doubt it ever crosses their mind until they go to H+R block and someone explains it to them. I think it's unlikely that this program plays a role in encouraging the poor to have kids--not that I agree with it either.

I do think that even the poorest of the poor, in the ghetto, realize they get a huge government check for having kids and filing a tax return. That is all they need to know.

Are you saying that the poor are to stupid to remember that they got a check last year?

Even if they haven't had children of their own, I'm sure they remember from growing up that their parents got a nice tax refund every year.

Any behavior that is rewarded, is encouraged. So the welfare system and to a lesser extent the tax code encourages irresponsible reproduction. But instead of having the Govt get deeper into our lives as you are suggesting, why don't we just stop paying for irresponsible breeding?? Cut the budget for welfare programs by 50% immediately, then another 5 or 10% a year until the program is gone. Saves money and encourages responsibility for ones actions. It will be hard for the first generation of "on your own" kids, but in the long run it could save our country.
I'm sick of seeing parisitical scum living on my money...

I'm not against social insurance programs, as i dont really want to see an increase of people living under third world conditions in the most prosperous nation on earth, but i do think that we have a right to demand that they if they want a government handout that they are at least capable of ensuring their child gets an education.

 

[2wheeler 10+ year member]

I'm not against social insurance programs, as i dont really want to see an increase of people living under third world conditions in the most prosperous nation on earth, but i do think that we have a right to demand that they if they want a government handout that they are at least capable of ensuring their gets get an education.

I don't think we would have nearly the problem that happens in other parts of the world. Most third world economys don't have the capacity to absorb productive, motivated workers and allow them to thrive. The US does.

The adjustment period would be hard, and I'd fully support transitional programs (soup kitchens, homeless shelters, etc.) to keep anyone from going hungry or dying from exposure.

I'd just like to see "social insurance" redefined. Our current safety net is way, way too comfortable, IMO. As proof of that, look at the number of fully capable people who choose to live "on the dole" year after year, generation after generation. If they lived a life without luxury then maybe they'd work harder to improve their own situation.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I'd just like to see "social insurance" redefined. Our current safety net is way, way too comfortable, IMO. As proof of that, look at the number of fully capable people who choose to live "on the dole" year after year, generation after generation. If they lived a life without luxury then maybe they'd work harder to improve their own situation.

I honestly do not think you know very much about the current welfare programs.

TANF (cash payments) has a maximum of 60 months and has for over a decade. Hence the name - Temporary, Assistance for Needy, Families, or TANF.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Also, if you think welfare benefits provide a "life of luxury", your definition of luxury is far removed from mine.

 

[roarzorz 10+ year member]

Thing is, do you really think that the poorest people squeezing out kids in the ghetto actually even know what an income tax credit is? They are usually highly uneducated, especially about money (after all, they're poor).
I doubt it ever crosses their mind until they go to H+R block and someone explains it to them. I think it's unlikely that this program plays a role in encouraging the poor to have kids--not that I agree with it either.

All they need to know is "Mo babies = Mo checks" and they definately know this. Its embedded in their dna.

 

[2wheeler 10+ year member]

I honestly do not think you know very much about the current welfare programs.
TANF (cash payments) has a maximum of 60 months and has for over a decade. Hence the name - Temporary, Assistance for Needy, Families, or TANF.

I'm doing some research, I'll be back to this later...

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I'm doing some research, I'll be back to this later...

try reading this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

 

[2wheeler 10+ year member]

Also, if you think welfare benefits provide a "life of luxury", your definition of luxury is far removed from mine.

My definition of luxury is different for people who live on my money vs. those who are self funding. If someone is living on the resources of others, then to me luxury is defined as anything over and above the absolute neccessitys to maintain a pulse. Internet service, cable TV, text messaging, car audio, shoes that cost more than $25.. those all are luxury items, IMO, if I'm unwillingly buying them for someone else...

If someone earns their own money, then the sky is the limit. Live it up, just don't ask me to help pay for it.

What ever happened to the concept of shame when taking something not earned?