why that was nice

[PollyCranopolis 10+ year member]

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

This couldn't be part of it could it?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4DD123CF933A15750C0A96E948260

Illegal Aliens Depress Wages for Some in U.S.
Published: March 20, 1988

Illegal aliens are depressing wages and worsening working conditions for legal immigrants and native Americans in low-skilled and low-paying jobs, the General Accounting Office says.

Citing empirical data and several case studies, the accounting office, an investigative arm of Congress, said Friday that United States-born citizens and legally documented immigrants were being hurt, especially those working as janitors and food processors.

The report identified restaurants and companies producing automobile parts, shoes and clothing as others that often employ illegal aliens. The aliens' willingness to work in low-skill jobs for less than the minimum wage in those industries has depressed wages and benefits for comparable native and legal immigrants, the G.A.O. said. But it also said the low wages paid illegal aliens allowed some of the businesses to grow or survive foreign competition, indirectly expanding job opportunities and wages for higher-skilled workers in the same trades.

Without a pool of illegal immigrants willing to be garment workers or shoemakers, the accounting office said, many companies would shut down.

It also said restaurants' practice of using illegal immigrants as dishwashers and busboys allowed the businesses to keep their prices low and expand, providing more jobs for more highly skilled waiters and chefs. The Labor Department disagreed, saying none of the studies surveyed by the accounting agency offered any concrete evidence of a positive effect from using illegal workers.

The department also disputed the accounting agency's premise that legal workers would not take many of the low-wage jobs, particularly in the shoe and garment industries. ''The fact is that large numbers of native and legal U.S. workers are in the same labor market as illegal workers,'' the department said. ''Furthermore, if wages were not depressed by illegal workers, even greater numbers of native and legal workers would be in that labor market.''

The G.A.O. said the 1986 immigration law and its fines for hiring illegal aliens, if successful, would force wages up for legal immigrants and natives and cause ''considerable stress'' financially for growers and shoe and garment manufacturers.

Congress asked the accounting office to survey all available studies and data on illegal immigrants' impact on native and legal immigrant workers in 1985, when it was considering the employer sanctions that were adopted a year later.

The accounting office has now submitted the study to Congress, saying that after examining 230 academic and other treatises on the issue it found scarce useful information. The biggest problem, the G.A.O. said, is that illegal aliens are a hidden population, making it hard to identify them for use in any empirical study.

About two dozen case studies, however, suggested that employers' use of illegal aliens has displaced native workers and legal immigrants from their jobs and driven down wages of those who remain.

The most dramatic examples were among janitors and farm and food processing workers in California.

Under contracts negotiated by the Service Employees International Union, blacks and legal Hispanic immigrants working as janitors at office buildings in downtown Los Angeles had won wage and benefits reaching a peak of $12 an hour by 1983. But a group of nonunion janitorial services hiring predominantly illegal immigrants began to wrestle the best building contracts away from the unionized companies, driving the union scale back down to $4 an hour and less. Of 2,500 black janitors under high-wage contracts in 1977, 100 were still paid comparative wages by 1985.

If illegal immigration caused those problems in 88, guessin they can really cause a problem for income levels now.

Doesn't explain the middle income families droppin down, but could explain some of the lower income bracket issues.

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

If you aren't able to discern between the two concepts, maybe you should try going to college while you still can.

Very difficult concept there Faulkton.
Please enlighten me.

I forgot, taking financial aid from the schools is not taking anything away from the students.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif at this whole transaction.

As I've said in previous discussion on this, the MPAA and RIAA need to stop extorting people into buying their shit and start competing again.
They are essentially running the world's largest known collusions. If anyone should be going to jail, it should be the MPAA and RIAA and not the people who download media off the internet ...

Collusion n.

A non-competitive agreement between rivals that attempts to disrupt the market's equilibrium. By collaborating with each other, rival firms look to alter the price of a good to their advantage. The parties may collectively choose to restrict the supply of a good, and/or agree to increase its price, in order to maximize profits. Groups may also collude by sharing private information, allowing them to benefit from insider knowledge.

weird, MPAA and RIAA can do it, but XM and sirius cant even merge without tons of hassle? hahahaa im reaching, and this was just a random thought

I know I'm defiantly the victim.


the problem is that the politicians get more money from the riaa/mpaa than they do from their constituents.

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Well, I guess when(if ever) this whole thing goes down, everyone should just stop buying music.

Im finding this article all over, is there a reliable source?

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

Or maybe you could come up with a reasonable argument.
If there is a great disparity between incomes, ignoring it is not a good solution.

But you have to ignore it, otherwise you are not politically correct.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

this thread failed.

However, someone will revive in later with a racist, irrelevant comment.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

Affirmative Action simply stated regardless of qualifications color wins, I think w/o it we'd have competition for jobs rather than quotas

Have you considered whether there are any real benefits of affirmative action?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Have you considered whether there are any real benefits of affirmative action?

benefits are in the eye of the beholder

unless you are able to step back and realize the world doesn't revolve around you.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

This thread is begging for MorningWood to express his opinion.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I noticed he has been absent of late. I thought it had something to do with the crunk thread turning emo.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

This thread is begging for MorningWood to express his opinion.

You know he is still in bed.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

Then he needs to drop a line and black it out!

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

You know he is still in bed.

Then wake his *** up. Throw a watermelon at him!

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

I noticed he has been absent of late. I thought it had something to do with the crunk thread turning emo.

We are going to change that though.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Then wake his *** up. Throw a watermelon at him!

Just cut it. Blacks are attracted to the faintest scent of watermelon.

We are going to change that though.

Maybe, maybe not. Still not sure if the chasing amy perscription is very effective in the long term.

 

[Savstyle 10+ year member]

Just cut it. Blacks are attracted to the faintest scent of watermelon.

So so true