why that was nice

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

And more hyperbole.... you've got nothing better than this? lol
I said you needed more practice... I was wrong. You can do this all day and you'll never improve. You need instruction, not practice.

I didn't have a better article off hand... i just googled "new york police sodomy" because I remembered the immigrant that was plastered in the news a decade ago.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

I think its easy to take things at face value and not know what is going on in a persons head when you make an argument about why they took a path less traveled. Doesn't mean the argument is always valid.

There's a big difference between a path less traveled and a path to destruction, lined with illegal acts, and bad decisions in the face of almost certain death, with callous disregard for one's own safety (and that of the public).

It's a matter of degrees, as we all intuitively know, which you're trying to obscure.

It doesn't work.

 

[mrogowski 5,000+ posts]

I think its easy to take things at face value and not know what is going on in a persons head when you make an argument about why they took a path less traveled. Doesn't mean the argument is always valid.

I should hope it is. If we didn't take all things at face value in daily life and assess them I don't know where we would be..

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

So are you suggesting they were stealing food and shouldn't be blamed?
They weighed the value of their lives versus an illegal act... they took their lives into their own hands the first time by entering the dwelling.

Then, when confronted with IMMEDIATE and CERTAIN retribution in the form of a gun-wielding man commanding them to halt, they did it again... and they lost.

So... like I said... I don't feel sorry for them at all. They took the risks, they knew the risks, they saw the immediate and certain life-threatening danger, and still chose to run.

Sorry. They lost.

This brings up the question of legality. (Don't think I'm arguing that they were justified in stealing.) We juxtapose divinity with law as if the persons implementing legislation are pristine individuals. Laws need to be challenged. I know they are challenged all the time. I'm just referring to your reference of an "illegal" act. It used to be illegal for me to drink out of a certain fountain.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

I should hope it is. If we didn't take all things at face value in daily life and assess them I don't know where we would be..

We should stop and assess why people are committing crimes like murder and stealing, all those things, then try to think about what's going through their heads, and ultimately just understand them and let them go... not punish them... their thought processes were obviously defective, or their self esteem low. Not their fault!

Hyperbole, right?

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

This brings up the question of legality. (Don't think I'm arguing that they were justified in stealing.) We juxtapose divinity with law as if the persons implementing legislation are pristine individuals. Laws need to be challenged. I know they are challenged all the time. I'm just referring to your reference of an "illegal" act. It used to be illegal for me to drink out of a certain fountain.

You're still trying to circumvent the issue. These guys weren't involved in civil disobedience or non-violent protests or something.

They were thieves.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

It used to be illegal for me to drink out of a certain fountain.

And have you ever been prosecuted for this crime?

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

I should hope it is. If we didn't take all things at face value in daily life and assess them I don't know where we would be..

We can assess things at face value. We should still look deeper and find out the complexities of each recurring event. Where would we be intellectually if we took everything in at face value.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

You're still trying to circumvent the issue. These guys weren't involved in civil disobedience or non-violent protests or something.
They were thieves.

Drinking from a fountain is not a non-violent protest. I'm not questioning the act itself. I'm clarifying that it was the stealing that was the problem, not that they broke the law.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

And have you ever been prosecuted for this crime?

I have not, but I don't see the relevance. The thieves were prosecuted either.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Drinking from a fountain is not a non-violent protest. I'm not questioning the act itself. I'm clarifying that it was the stealing that was the problem, not that they broke the law.

I never tried to equate jaywalking with murder or anything of the sort. I never said thieves should be put to death... but they took that risk, making their own choice.

What's hard to understand about that?

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

I never tried to equate jaywalking with murder or anything of the sort. I never said thieves should be put to death... but they took that risk, making their own choice.
What's hard to understand about that?

It's not hard to understand. I get it. I just don't like it.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

I have not, but I don't see the relevance. The thieves were prosecuted either.

Just wondering. It sounded as if it might be a bit personal to you.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

It's not hard to understand. I get it. I just don't like it.

Well, you don't have to like it, but it's still fact.

It is unfortunate, though, that people feel the need to make such choices. There may have been extenuating social circumstances, as well, but in my experience, in today's society, there are very few occasions that justify such behavior. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

Just wanted to clarify, I wasn't trying to be an ***....

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

Darnit... i meant to say "weren't prosecuted" oh well