why that was nice

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

The big argument I hear is that people who think GM's are unreliable are those who don't know how to work on cars. I think thats the whole point. Most people do not know how to work on cars so they go for a car that needs very little maintenance. Resale value is based on general population, not a small group of gearheads.

This has to be one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen in defense of American cars. Of course a trophy wife in the suburbs isn't going to get on the garage floor to drain the oil. I really hope that you aren't arguing that those who buy American cars (which I happen to like many of) are only those who truly care about what they drive...

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

This has to be one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen in defense of American cars. Of course a trophy wife in the suburbs isn't going to get on the garage floor to drain the oil. I really hope that you aren't arguing that those who buy American cars (which I happen to like many of) are only those who truly care about what they drive...

ok? What happens when you don't get the dust out of your computer? What happens when you don't feed your fish? What happens when you don't change your oil? Stuff breaks. If any car is taken care of (besides a recall from a factory or bad part) It would never fail. If you don't take the time to take care of your own car, don't buy one. People don't take car of their cars because I drive around all day and see these piece of shit rust buckets with blue smoke coming out of their tail pipes. Hondas, GM, Toyota....It doesn't matter. The fact is that (most) Jap cars have crappy quality and if your to blind to see that then your shit must not stink, right?

EDIT: Grammar

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

ok? What happens when you don't get the dust out of your computer? What happens when you don't feed your fish? What happens when you don't change your oil? Stuff breaks. If any car is taken care of (besides a recall from a factory or bad part) It would never fail. If you took the time to take care of your own car, don't buy one. People don't take car of their cars because I try around all day and see these piece of shit rust buckets with blue smoke coming out of their tail pipes. Hondas, GM, Toyota....It doesn't matter. The fact is that (most) Jap cars have crappy quality and if your to blind to see that then your shit must not stink, right?

I agree, but when it comes down to it, especially in this day in age, if you take care of your vechichle no matter if it is American built or foreign then it will last. My dad has a 1994 z24 cavalier converitable and has over 200k on it and motor still running strong as hell, but body is rusting beyond belief to the point he needs a new vechichle, but engine is still good. Me, I have owned a 1984 Toyota Corrolla hatchback that had over 200k on it and hell took it too shows. Looked like it was rolled off the show room floor and sold it for 6g's.

My point is if you take care of it, it will last.

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

undercoating helps too. Even if your car hasn't been from the factory, $7 a can @ Autozone can prevent many problems.

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

What happens when I don't get the dust out of my computer ? Nothing in my HTPC ... All passive cooling FTMFW !
Most Jap cars have crappy quality ? Other than GM's pole, WTF are you smoking ?

Funny how only mods get away with running their mouth. Generally most computers that get dust in them, run hot. Mine does, because its not expensive plus my hosue is dusty. And yes most Jap cars have crappy quality, that includes cheap plastic, door skins, and steel. Why do you think they cost less than American? Its not because of less marketing. But see you don't have any sort of conclusion on why Jap cars are better. Your insults are almost as bad as your knowledge on what a good car his. So take your kindle words to another thread where your expertise knowledge of car audio belongs because you obviously have no idea of build quality and performance of any U.S. car. You can use facts and figures all day long but in the end, you don't know what your talking about.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

jmac you are always letting facts get in the way of the truth //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

I've driven more cars than you probably have, n00bx. I drove about 10 cars a week (from all origins) for over 2 months before I dediced on choosing my Nissan nearly 7 years ago. 7 years later, I've had 1 repair which I could've done myself if I weren't sick at the time and it cost me a whole $300 ($120 + labour). My dad and brother both own GM trucks; my dad's has been relatively trouble-free for close to 15 years (windshield wiper motor always seems to go, though), but my brother's Blazer has been a complete POS since he got it a few years ago. Constant problems with the drivetrain and ignition systems. I have lots of close friends who drive American cars and, compared to my friends with Japanese cars, they have more problems. And, having worked on them and driven them (yeah, that car audio knowledge means I have to remove panels and see the interiors of vehicles when I'm working on them. What a fvcking suprise), I would argue that most Japanese cars have better quality interiors than most American cars.
You're 17 (maybe 18 now) and you think you have more experience with cars than I do ? You just go your driver's license, you n00b. You probably haven't even driven a Japanese car.

Japanese cars cost less than American cars ? Last I checked, the bottom-dwellers of the price chain were the Korean and American cars.

Chevrolet Cobalt - $12,990

Ford Focus - $13,715

Dodge Caliber - $14,285

Honda Civic - $14,810

Toyota Corolla - $14,305

Nissan Sentra - $14,750

Wow, what a suprise. All the Japanese cars are priced higher. There goes your argument.

And, yeah, I can use facts and figures all day to prove my point. Unlike you, I argue with PROOF and you have none to back your shit up other than your extremely limited experience, biased opinion, and juvenile attitude.

Peace b*tch

Oh wow a price comparison. How cute. Too bad I wouldn't drive any of that stuff. Let's see, last time I checked, knowing quality of a car doesn't mean I have to drive it. I worked in a body shop, I've see a sentra, corolla and a several civics, camry's and lots of other Jap cars along with many GM's (GM dealership). I'm not discussing which is a better driving car or what the cost of them are, I'm simply stating that they're cheap over price garbage that people think are good cars. You know I couldn't care less of your opinion or this thread for that matter because it's an issue that anyone car argue forever. I'm biased, yes, because I think quality is more important than how many miles I can go before *jesus christ I have to change my oil!*. You obviously don't get what my point is due to your thick head but I don't care. Fvck you, and fvck this thread. Buy a real car.

Peace Pvssy.

 

[JonMR2turbo 10+ year member]

Oh wow a price comparison. How cute. Too bad I wouldn't drive any of that stuff. Let's see, last time I checked, knowing quality of a car doesn't mean I have to drive it. I worked in a body shop, I've see a sentra, corolla and a several civics, camry's and lots of other Jap cars along with many GM's (GM dealership). I'm not discussing which is a better driving car or what the cost of them are, I'm simply stating that they're cheap over price garbage that people think are good cars. You know I couldn't care less of your opinion or this thread for that matter because it's an issue that anyone car argue forever. I'm biased, yes, because I think quality is more important than how many miles I can go before *jesus christ I have to change my oil!*. You obviously don't get what my point is due to your thick head but I don't care. Fvck you, and fvck this thread. Buy a real car.
Peace Pvssy.

You're smoking crack if you think Japanese cars are low quality, especially the interiors. I'd say only thing American cars have over Japs in the interior is more comfortable seats. Other than that forget about it.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I can't belive I am agreeing with Jmac, but this thread has gone far off its original tangent.

When I bought my S-10, I knew I was going to lower it. It seems as if the S-10 had the greatest aftermarket support for lowered minitrucks; thus, the S-10 seemed the natural fit.

Also, I am more comfortable with GM. I already know within 20-30k mi that the EGR is going to go to hell. Since I already know it, I am cool with it. I have no idea what goes wrong @ 100k with foreign cars since I never owned one. But GM, I knows what goes wrong, when it goes wrong, and how to fix it.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

As for driven, many of you know my occupation and the travel it requires. I have driven toyotas and stuff but mostly echos, camries, prius.

I didn't have any "feeling" while driving those cars. It was just driving. It was like I was a regular joe. Driving a camry in DC meant nothing, like I was a part of nothing. Owning a g-body meant something, as you were part of a club. Owning the S-10 meant something, like you are a mini- trucker. I cannot capture this same feeling in a Maxima (97,04,06) ,G-35 coupe (05,06,07), and the various other foreign cars I have driven.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Also,

Some japanense steel > American steel. Even though none of the materials occur naturally there.

 

[Silverbane 10+ year member]

I'm sure the Accord and Camry will be the crappiest version and stripped down by the dealer. That would be the only way to get people to like the Aura over the other two //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

I can guarantee that they will be an equivilent value automobile. GM would not risk the negative press!

 

[CRAZYCORNUTS18 10+ year member]

All the G bodies where essentially the same car....They lasted from ~78/79 to 88. That's roughly 12 years x 4 different models.
Same for the B Bodies.

Same for the J bodies except different time periods.

The point being....GM is one of the slowest companies to redesign a car. I think that is a good thing.

y would you want to see the same thing over several years.... things need change

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

y would you want to see the same thing over several years.... things need change

cheap parts

great knowledge

swapping parts

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif I am not hit, cool, neat, etc. I am the essence of practical. If you build the same car for 10 years and you buy 2 or 3 of them, then you know where the problem areas are. As for those spending $5k-6 in repair dollars, who knows. Before I bought my truck, I didn't spend $5k on a car. Why would I? When I buy GM, I know what is going to break down when. I know how to listen to the motor to know when the EGR is about to go out. How many of you actually sit and listen to your motor idle so you know when something is wrong ??? I don't need a light, guage, etc to tell me my engine is running hot, I know. I can tell how the sound the valves open and close the engine temp.

 

[savagebee 10+ year member]

just one example of many is the 1994-96 imala ss...

they cost over 10k in most markets for a clean, used example... show me a trim option on a japanese sedan demand that kind of market value on a 10 year + car..

I like jap cars, my next one may well be a g35 or a lexus is300...

but there are inherant differences between them... I want the jap car for a sporty, dependable daily driver....

for a fun weekend car, I want a domestic