who has built a PERFECT box before?

Impossible to make a perfect box. Very good ones come with practice though.
Thank You, I was going to say it sooner, but the whole topic as to the word " perfect " being the factor of the discussion, i just left it alone since " perfection " is nothing more than an individual perception.

 
That is pure *** //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/omg.gif.05aa02c3095d6ce9338996654eca0863.gif
Thanks PV, being a custom cabinetmaker does lend itself to building some nice things.

I'm in the designing stages to make another rolling base for this saw with a self contained dust collection system.

 
Very nice , Is that a router table on the other side ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Yes, The plans that were in SHOP NOTES for the rolling base cabinet also included the plans for the extension table with the details and parts list for the router setup.

In the redesign of the rolling base cabinet I am doing, I am going to have the router setup on the other side of the saw extension table.

 
Thank You, I was going to say it sooner, but the whole topic as to the word " perfect " being the factor of the discussion, i just left it alone since " perfection " is nothing more than an individual perception.
well by perfect i meant that all the pieces meat up perfectly with no over hanging of pieces or having pieces that are just smidge shorter without having to use a sander to get everthing to sit flush //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

didnt really know what other word to use lol

for example: i should be able to lay the top piece onto the box and not having 1/8" gaps.

also PV audio = lemans23?!?!

 
That table saw is gorgeous.

MDF dust with heavy glue wash is the best filler. Blends in, sands clean, and bonds best since it's all the same material.
Where I could see the benefits of using this to fill a hole or deep gouge, I just can't see any for using it at a joint or corner.

 
That table saw is gorgeous.


Where I could see the benefits of using this to fill a hole or deep gouge, I just can't see any for using it at a joint or corner.
I don't think you're talking about filler, which is what I am. If you're talking about a sealant, then yes. If you have a large panel gap, you would put the mdf paste on the outside, and silicone the inside to make it sealed.
 
I don't think you're talking about filler, which is what I am. If you're talking about a sealant, then yes. If you have a large panel gap, you would put the mdf paste on the outside, and silicone the inside to make it sealed.
If a panel gap is so bad you need to be using filler though, the correct way to fix it would be to sand down or recut the edge. If it's too bad, then you just need to recut the panel. Either way, I would never find myself in the situation to be using this dust/glue filler aside from a small hole or gouge.

 
well by perfect i meant that all the pieces meat up perfectly with no over hanging of pieces or having pieces that are just smidge shorter without having to use a sander to get everthing to sit flush //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
didnt really know what other word to use lol

for example: i should be able to lay the top piece onto the box and not having 1/8" gaps.

also PV audio = lemans23?!?!
I got the gist of of what you were drivin, it's all good:cool:

In this instance of what your saying and wanting to achieve as to making all your cut parts align together when you start to build the enclosure.

This can be done with a circular saw without problem, all it takes it alittle more effort as to determining the best approach to laying out the cuts you want so they all fit flush and smooth with all the other parts.

Here's how I would do it:

1. First and foremost is to find out if the factory edges of the mdf are square, if the edges are not square then all your parts will not be square when you start cutting.

2. Squaring the panel - Most folks ( I must included ) will use a framer's square to check the panel for square. However, most framer's squares are not square and don't believe otherwise. I got five framer's squares and not a d@mn one of them is Square, but, they were square when I bought them because I checked them before I bought them.

How to Check and Adjust a Framing Square

http://zo-d.com/stuff/how-do-i/how-to-check-and-adjust-a-framing-square.html

However, the best method for checking, determining and finding SQUARE is what is called the " 3,4,5 method ". If you use this method, you have a square panel everytime.

345triangle-772529.jpg


You can create a right angle simply by employing the following procedure:

1. Measuring out two pieces of string or board other item that can be pulled straight and that measure 3 and 4 feet long.

2. These will be the two "short" legs of your right triangle, so lay them down in as close to a right angle as you can get by just eyeballing them.

3. Take a third piece of string or board or what have you, and measure it to 5 feet long.

4. Make this last piece the "long" leg of the triangle. Once you get everything arranged neatly, if your legs are 3, 4, and 5 feet long, you'll have a right angle.

This works because of the pythagorean theorem, which states that the sum of the square of the two short legs equals the square of the long leg (the hypoteneuse). In other words, (3x3) + (4x4) = (5x5).

Sure enough, 9 + 16 does equal 25.

This will work with multiples of 3, 4, and 5, so if lengths of 6, 8, and 10 feet suit your purposes better, just double everything.

The referring link to the above:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://byteshuffler.com/rospo/blog/uploaded_images/345triangle-793260.jpg&imgrefurl=http://gardenplotter.com/rospo/blog/2006/01/making-right-angle-3-4-5-method.html&h=248&w=298&sz=6&hl=en&start=8&um=1&tbnid=w8o6Xk1b0DBn_M:&tbnh=97&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2B3,4,5%2Bmethod%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

3. Straight Edge - pretty self explanatory, whatever you use for a straight make absolutely d@mn sure it's STRAIGHT.

Home Depot, Lowes sell aluminum straight edges what come in two pieces that you put together that will allow for cutting the full length of a sheet or you can use one piece for a straight edge to cross cut the width of the sheet - two straight edges for the price of one is not a bad deal at all and they come with clamps.

Don't use a 2 x 4 or any other piece of lumber because rarely you will find a piece of lumber with a good straight edge and lumber moves ( wood expands and contracts ), you may find a straight piece of lumber, but it won't stay straight indefinitely.

Now, since most of the time the cutting will be done with pieces 48" or less, the best thing would be a Circular Saw Straight Edge Jig:

http://www.woodezine.com/09_2004/09_2004_images/Benchdog1.JPG

Or, you can make your own.

4. Circular Saw - There's all types of these saw from cheap to expense and pretty much do what they do, cut thru whatever your cutting.

But, there's more to a circular saw depending on the saw and that is what will make the difference in your cuts. There' s not much to these saws, ya got the saw and the base plate and the ability to tilt the saw to cut angle edges.

The key things are that there is not movement at all where the saw points attach to the base plate, if ya got play anywhere, ya got sh!tty cuts.

Next, the blade has to be parallel to the side edges of the base plate to get nice clean straight cuts when used with a good straight edge. On some circular saw there will be a screw that will allow the user to adjust the saw to get the blade parallel the base edges.

Next, use a good square to adjust the saw so the blade is square with the base.

5. Saw Blades, most circular saws use a 8 1/2" diameter blade and for cutting mdf use a good 40 tooth carbide blade, I say 40 tooth because that is about the most per tooth blade your going to find for a circular saw that is carbide in HD,Lowes.

 
If you think that is *** then you have not seen the one i get to use....
and my boss is soon to buy this one

http://www.martin.info/cms/_main/sawing/t60-classic.html
Nice.

Yeah, if i had shop with the space to put that beast in it I would rather just spend the bucks and get something like this:

Model ES52 Panel Saw

* Safety Speed Cut

* Professional Panel Saw

es52revised1.jpg


and still use my tablesaw for any other cutting.

 
Nice.
Yeah, if i had shop with the space to put that beast in it I would rather just spend the bucks and get something like this:

Model ES52 Panel Saw

* Safety Speed Cut

* Professional Panel Saw

es52revised1.jpg


and still use my tablesaw for any other cutting.


I had a chance to buy that exact model from a cabinet shop in town that closed down last year for less next to nothing . I'm still kicking myself in the arse for not buying it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 
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