Wheres the Eminence guys...?

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

isn't that basically what he's doing, buying loads of cheap equipment and then using it improperly? Who said anything about ANYTHING that he's doing is the "brightest of ideas"?

i was agreeing with you, just //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif there. before you go on to much of a tangent.

 

[Platestacker45 10+ year member]

Who said ANYTHING about components. I'm talking 112db effeicent horns with 100 effecient midranges (8's) and midbasses with 500 watts a peice on them, 3-way ACTIVE fronstage, lotsa power. That's quite bit different. MUCH better drivers than eminence, properly installed, all on axis, little to no cancellation. Comparing that to cheap drivers many of which are off axis, in improper airspaces, etc, and yeah, I can get darn near or as loud with less.

But aren't horns designed for pro audio use? I thought we were anti pro audio here!?!? And I also said for the money, you will never get louder. You will still need a ton of 500 watt midbasses to keep up with all his Eminence's, that would cost quit a bit of money.

 

[dleccord 5,000+ posts]

This is the first time that I have ever heard anyone say that they aren't going to have midbass in their system...

you obviously dont know what midbass is then.

 

[pwnt by pat 10+ year member]

There are car-audio oriented horns.

Image Dynamics

Crossfire (?)

others are esacping me at the moment. All designed for mobile use

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

But aren't horns designed for pro audio use? I thought we were anti pro audio here!?!? And I also said for the money, you will never get louder. You will still need a ton of 500 watt midbasses to keep up with all his Eminence's, that would cost quit a bit of money.

"You will not get louder with less equipment" was actually what you said. a MIGHTY bold statement for someone who knows as little as you do.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

But aren't horns designed for pro audio use? I thought we were anti pro audio here!?!? And I also said for the money, you will never get louder. You will still need a ton of 500 watt midbasses to keep up with all his Eminence's, that would cost quit a bit of money.

not really, improper enclosure will KILL midbass output. Off axis response on midbass shoudl be identical until about 60 degrees, so that may or may not make a difference, odds are when your cramming drivers in there, it will. The midbasses I'm referring to have 12mm of linear excursion, a bit more for xmech. 2x the displacement of eminences mibasses. Properly deadened enclosure...... Heck, using your rules I could use several pairs and still be fine....

The cancellation of the upper frequency drivers, combined with not using a horn to control the dispersion pattern of a driver designed for one (your drivers have crappy off-axis response //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif) and winning the 3k and up game becomes a joke. Terrible off axis response and massive cancellation turns this into a case where less is definetly more.

I'm not against pro audio drivers. I'm against buying lots of bargain bin pro audio drivers, cramming them in your car any which way crossing them over at any point that you can without hurting them and assuming that's going to make it louder than anything, becuase it won't.

This spring I'll bother to install, when I'm rta'ing I'll take a spl measurment.

Final point being, if you can get 90% of the volume with 1/3 the drivers and have it sound 100x better, why not? Oh wait, hood ninjas....

 

[Schuey2002 10+ year member]

you obviously dont know what midbass is then.

No, I don't. Teach me wise one! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

No, I don't. Teach me wise one! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

I think he's referring to the fact that most cars have crappy midbass.

 

[dleccord 5,000+ posts]

i dont see a problem with gaps. im sure a lot of guys out there run gaps.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

i dont see a problem with gaps. im sure a lot of guys out there run gaps.

depends on your slope. Most of the time you try to run your sub crossed low with a steep slope and your midbasses low with a shallow slope, usually some form of a gap. I really don't think that's the case in his intall though, his midbasses are too effecient for ANY real output below 80hz, even in a car.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

i was agreeing with you, just //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif there. before you go on to much of a tangent.

Ehh, I assumed, I just coudn't quite pull it all into context to be sure. I did give you the benefit of the doubt though.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[pimpedout97x]

His tweets are supposed to be horn loaded anyway, 105db effecient my ***! Like I said, combine their true effeciency with their off axis response and the LOADS of cancellation he's getting at those higher frequencies, I really doubt he'd average that much higher than my car from 2k-20k. Maybe lower than that, my phl's are no slouches either.

come to tampa, we will see if your tweets are louder //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

loud as piss, but not a hell of alot louder than a properly done car could be, with ALOT less equipment that sounds better to boot. Why go for just being loud and sounding shitty (even you've said it sounds "good enough for me", but never it sounded "great") when you can have a system that will get 90% of the volume, with tonal accuracy, across ALL frequencies?
People using single 12's can put out 150s whereas multiple sub setups can hit 140's, it's all in the install. Your speakers aren't going to be in optimal enclosure, nor will they be crossed over properly. You're comromising your overall install and hoping sheer brute force will give you the volume you want. It probably will, but it's sure as heck not the best way to go about it.

cant you be louder to the ear hitting 140, yet someone can hit 150 and it wont sound as loud to the ear? same concept with mids and highs i would think.

I'm not against pro audio drivers. I'm against buying lots of bargain bin pro audio drivers, cramming them in your car any which way crossing them over at any point that you can without hurting them and assuming that's going to make it louder than anything, becuase it won't.

does it really bother you that much? if it does, get off the internet or put me on ignore.

its the internet.

Who said ANYTHING about components. I'm talking 112db effeicent horns with 100 effecient midranges (8's) and midbasses with 500 watts a peice on them, 3-way ACTIVE fronstage, lotsa power. That's quite bit different. MUCH better drivers than eminence, properly installed, all on axis, little to no cancellation. Comparing that to cheap drivers many of which are off axis, in improper airspaces, etc, and yeah, I can get darn near or as loud with less. I'd put 100 bucks a system as described above would be within 3db's of yours 2k-20k. Not all high effeciency drivers sound like crap, eminence does though...........
Honestly, most people think AB's in ported boxes with stock speakers sounds "awesome". Try playing something other than rap or poorly recorded music. I doubt you've got a stage out on the hood with width to your pillars, I'd bet you have no sounstage at all. Frankly, you can't avoid cancellation with that many drivers, so I wont' even discuss tonality.

ID horns cost more than all my tweets. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[pimpedout97x]

lol i dont think the OP has even seen this thread since he made it lol.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

come to tampa, we will see if your tweets are louder //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif




cant you be louder to the ear hitting 140, yet someone can hit 150 and it wont sound as loud to the ear? same concept with mids and highs i would think.

does it really bother you that much? if it does, get off the internet or put me on ignore.

its the internet.

ID horns cost more than all my tweets. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

As Eugenics pointed out the challenge was louder with less, not pricing. I'm quite aware you spent like $15 dollars a tweet. All I'm saying is buying shitty equipment and then installing and tuning it improperly isn't the best way to build a system, nor should it be encouraged.

All the loud to the ear thing is, is a lack of low end. Really loud low bass puts lots of pressure on the ears and body, shakes clothing, etc, so it seems louder. I can't see that happening with treble, it doesn't move any air.

PS. Actually just realized yours might sound louder to the ear than a good SQ setup. Alot of times when things don't distort our sound like crap, people think it's not loud. The fact that the eminence will distort near top volume and sound very harsh might make it appear louder full range, even if it isnt'.

 

[pimpedout97x]

my tweeters do not distort....theyre harsh, but they dont distort.