What was the civil war fought over?

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

I didn't know he was.

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...yeah, right.

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[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Confederate VP: "The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact."

That is news to me, thanks for posting it. I stand corrected proximity, clearly slavery played a larger role from the beginning than I realized.

 

[natisfynest 10+ year member]

In conclusion prox is stupid

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

You never really responded to anything in this post, disappointingly.

Do you have any references that back up your claim about state versus federal control of banking, taxation and the judicial system? I find the first two hard to believe as there was no nationalization of banks until after the civil war and there was no federal income tax until the 1920s. Tariffs were at historic lows before the civil war so that's not an issue.
Even if these happened to be issues the south had with the north, do you deny these paled in comparison to the issue of slavery? Do you think if slavery had never existed, long been abolished or was at no risk of being removed that the south would have seceded?

I brought up the fact that the confederacy all happened to be slave owning states which has nothing to do with motive for slave owning. You then went into why southern states were slave owning and why they defend it (ie: the motive). Do you see the difference?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You never really responded to anything in this post, disappointingly.

Nope, Im only willing to spend so much time on this thread. Ive already conceded your point anyway, you are just getting greedy now.

 

[themgators511 10+ year member]

I'll give one thing to you proximity you sure can look defeat right in it's eyes and still know that you are going to win and that you are smarter than everyone else. But that's probably because you are so stubborn like a jackass (not a jackass like you a donkey), and you are very ignorant.

 

[themgators511 10+ year member]

You kinda remind me of peter off family guy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[ahole-ic]

Says the guy complaining about how stupid liberals are including me...there's really no limit to my stupidity, is there?

Fixed

 

[ahole-ic]

I was making fun of the fact you said the exact same thing I said to you..to me.

And I'm disappointed that you had no response to my history lesson. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif Not surprised of course, but disaapointed.

You gave no history lesson and only ad hominems as usual. You GOT made fun of. You weren't making fun.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Nope, Im only willing to spend so much time on this thread. Ive already conceded your point anyway, you are just getting greedy now.

I actually thought you were being sarcastic. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

I'll give one thing to you proximity you sure can look defeat right in it's eyes and still know that you are going to win and that you are smarter than everyone else. But that's probably because you are so stubborn like a jackass (not a jackass like you a donkey), and you are very ignorant.

Stubborn? Yes. Arrogant? Probably. Wrong? No.

 

[gunz4me2 10+ year member]

This is the only flag I sport these days:

Unfortunately, my neighbors don't get the dаmn hint!

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

In conclusion prox is stupid

And a troll, albeit a piss poor one...as well as the homosexual lover of the perma banned PW. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

Prox is just starting to come back to CA now after weeping over the ban of his beloved PW.

 

[Johnny Law.Lulz 5,000+ posts]

The confederate states were seceded from the union, considered themselves sovereign, and were at war to prove it. Wide would it be a popular concensus that they complied with the E.P. until they were forced to?
The north had plenty of slaves the E.P. did free right away, and the E.P. was the first legislation that declared slavery illegal (and immoral), hence Lincoln "freed that slaves".

But lincoln didnt free all states. No Southern state complied with the EP until they were taken back by the North. Just because the EP freed Nothern slaves doesnt mean it freed all slaves.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

But lincoln didnt free all states. No Southern state complied with the EP until they were taken back by the North. Just because the EP freed Nothern slaves doesnt mean it freed all slaves.

Slaves still exist in some parts of the world to this day, does that mean the US govt never freed slaves at all? Saying Lincoln "didnt free the slaves" because the southern states didn't comply during the war is silly. He's considered the father of freeing the slaves because he ushered in the first legislation that turned slave ownership from legal to illegal. Prior to this, US laws said things like a slave was only 3/5ths of a person. He represents a complete shift in US policy on this matter.