If you wand loud i'd go buy a VR3 15 from wal mart. They look really cool and handle like 1000000 watts. They are the bling blinginest subs on the planet, Bramaha and XXX **** compared to these beasts. The hundreds of people that are on this site that have tons of experience with the bramaha and xxx are stupiud cause they don't get the loudest coolest looking stuff on the face of the earth. Audiobahn was sent down from heaven to break things and sound like an explosion under a rug. Bling Bling. Get a legacy 2000 watt amp and it will pound cracka.