what kind of computer should i build?

When it comes to prebuilt dell isnt bad but i'd prefer an asus over dell any day.

Samsung? Samsung makes a good TV, but not so much hard drive.. Personally I've seen way more samsung HD's fail than seagate. My favorite is WD lke I said.

Intel SSD = 250mbps read, Crucial SSD = 355mbps read. Kinda obvious who's the better choice there //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
When it comes to prebuilt dell isnt bad but i'd prefer an asus over dell any day.
Samsung? Samsung makes a good TV, but not so much hard drive.. Personally I've seen way more samsung HD's fail than seagate. My favorite is WD lke I said.

Intel SSD = 250mbps read, Crucial SSD = 355mbps read. Kinda obvious who's the better choice there //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Intel = most reliable solid state drive and where is samsung failing at a higher rate than seagate drives? In your room? Seagate has taken over maxtors rep as the ****** drive maker. Samsung has been making reliable and quiet hard drives for years and those solid state drives ram chips are all from korea if not Samsung directly. Just TV's lmao. Check reviews on Newegg etc to figure out who's right about the hardware. Then check tech sites like anandtech, silentpc, etc if you want to read more of the same. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Intel = most reliable solid state drive and where is samsung failing at a higher rate than seagate drives? In your room? Seagate has taken over maxtors rep as the ****** drive maker.

first off, Seagate bought out maxtor, what did you expect them too actually make good hds?

and amd is just as reliable as an intel anyday. this isnt 1997 anymore.

 
first off, Seagate bought out maxtor, what did you expect them too actually make good hds?and amd is just as reliable as an intel anyday. this isnt 1997 anymore.
Yeah I already stated that Seagate acquired Maxtor and yeah I had hopes that Seagate would continue too make good hd's to. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

AMD cpu's are great, but intel is faster in a lot of things. BUT if you can find a nice deal on AMD quad etc and mobo, then that could work for you. Otherwise Intel has the edge especially in gaming. And whats this 1997 reliable bs... In that part I was talking about Intel Solid state drives. AMD doesn't even make Solid state drives as far as I know.

If it's something else, AMD actually had a performance advantage 5 years ago in CPUs and lost it and never got it back and won't unless they come up with a totally new cpu.

Oh and this is all fairly basic and common knowledge. Just check out tech sites for computer hardware like when you check this site for car stuff. It's not hard to research. Takes me an hour or so to catch up on whats what whenever I need to build someone a computer.

Last thing is that there are tons of deal sites and computer hardware goes on sale every day. So check fatwallet and slickdeals etc when shopping for computer parts and you'll probably end up saving a bunch.

 
Intel = most reliable solid state drive and where is samsung failing at a higher rate than seagate drives? In your room? Seagate has taken over maxtors rep as the ****** drive maker. Samsung has been making reliable and quiet hard drives for years and those solid state drives ram chips are all from korea if not Samsung directly. Just TV's lmao. Check reviews on Newegg etc to figure out who's right about the hardware. Then check tech sites like anandtech, silentpc, etc if you want to read more of the same. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
I don't trust newegg for tech reviews, pretty funny half the reviews you'll read on there.

I read engadget, storagereview.com (Leaderboard - Best Hard Drives & SSDs | StorageReview.com)

I used to read tomshardware until it went to **** several years ago.

.."Performance - There's only one choice if you want the best performing SSD on the market - the 256GB Crucial C300 ..... But in the ideal scenario, the SSD absolutely screams, taking the top spot in all of our real world benchmarks. "

And since you asked, samsung fails more than seagate at my computer shop. Half the work of a computer shop is replacing dead hard drives and cleaning viruses. The most reliable I've found is obviously WD, but beyond that it's really a draw.

Realistically, there's two types of hard drives, one's that have failed and ones that are gonna fail. That being said, I personally have mostly WD and 1-2 seagates at my house and I've been lucky with never having a single one fail.

first off, Seagate bought out maxtor, what did you expect them too actually make good hds?and amd is just as reliable as an intel anyday. this isnt 1997 anymore.
Ya and honestly all this talk about reliability of intel vs amd... the only thing that matters when comparing them is price/speed. It's super rare to have a DOA CPU or a failing CPU. My main reason for liking intel vs amd is speed and ease of setup. Amd boards currently are a little more tricky and still don't support triple channel. 6-core AMD's can be a bargain for a 6 core processor, overclock good, but still be only as fast as a good clocked I7 but possibly cheaper.

 
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While I agree people shouldn't spend insane amounts on cases and PSU's, it's also often understated the luxury of a good case.. The difference in cases can mean much better wiring and cooling. Personally I'd never treat a new (performance) computer to an off-brand PSU i've never heard of. An off-brand might be "rated" at 1k watts, but a good 850watt brand like cooler-master, antec, etc will almost always outlast them.
Exactly. A good case is a must in my opinion and i think it's always better to buy too big of a power supply because the next system you build will inevitably require more power. Plus to do any real OC'ing you need a quality PSU with solid rails ect...

On that note, have you considered looking into a coolermaster case and PSU? Might be a little cheaper and still get good quality:

Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
you know i have seen some cool master stuff, but wasnt really sure about the quality compared to the brands i am used to.. antec, corsair, ect.

I dont seem to remember much about the brand back when i was OC'ing Athlon XP barton and thoroughbred cores so so long ago .. but you sound like you know your shiz and i'll definitely look into that.

Im betting the crucial SSD will outlast most hard drives, older SSD's werent too reliable but the crucial SSD's are awesome, I've built a few builds for customers with them at the shop.
Patriot isn't "bad" memory but corsair is definitely better, my two favorite memory brands are kingston and corsair. More likely to run into compatability issues with other brands such as patriot, gskill, etc.
i see that hasnt changed in nearly a decade //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I agree with the others though.. Go intel with an I7, AMD may be cheaper but I7 will perform better and give you less problems when it comes to most of the boards. For instance, if you got an AMD 6 core you'd have to make sure the board ships 6 core ready and not "6 core compatable." A lot of people ordering 6 core boards found themselves with boards that had old bios releases and couldn't run the 6 core processors until they found a cheap sempron or other AMD processor to update the bios with..
thanks.. i think i'll stick with Intel, because there really isnt that much of a price difference.. i just wasnt sure what would be better for how i use my system.

Tons of multitasking, open programs, windows, HDTV, some encoding, and maybe some gaming but not enough to really justify high end GPU.

I play mostly PS3 but there are always games which work better with a real qwerty and mouse instead of a controller. Mostly i want snappy response and no lag.

I'm using a dell XPS m1330 with a core 2 duo @ 2.2ghz, a Geforce 8400 and 3gigs of ram... and its starting to show its age. I cant even watch 1080p youtube videos, although that might be flash related because i have no problem with 1080p material in VLC..but 1080p in WMP will get funky sometimes too.

This old lappy is also bugging me when doing stuff like editing large photos or opening programs. I realize it's a laptop and assume a new desktop in the range i'm looking at will be a HUGE step up

Personally I've build a lot of I7/I5 builds and a lot of sick AMD builds, and I always spent less time getting the intels up and running and looked forward to building them more, and they showed the difference in benchmarks such as 3dmark too.
When it comes to seagate vs WD, as long as you go with one of the two you should be fine, any other offbrand is asking for trouble, I personally always go with WD though, 80% of the drive failures I see at my work are brands other than seagate or WD

I will say you picked a great board too //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Good to know //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

As far as drives go, i pretty much have stuck with seagate just because it's the only brand i haven't had go out on me. I didnt know they bought maxtor, that sort of makes me nervous because i had some bad luck with some maxtor drives in the past.

Nonetheless, i completely realize they all die eventually and a lot has changed since i was really into this. Price/cache/seek/read/write times are what's really important.

Check out this heatsink: Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU CoolerI've used it in about 10 builds and it works great, cools well and looks good too. Overclocked both AMD and intel processors pretty well with it. Had the 6 core extreme I7 running at 4.2 stable on air with it (customer didnt want us to push it too hard so I didnt go any further)
Will surely check it out.

What about thermalright for HSF? And just to be clear i do NOT mean anything related to that craptastic company thermaltake...

I remember manually lapping some thermalright HSF until they were like a mirror and getting some excellent performance back in the day. Do they still make quality stuff or have they gone downhill?

My 2 cents is usually when I spend 1-2k or know someone spending that much on a computer, I usually like to make sure it's "futureproofed" for at least 4 years, meaning it has room to upgrade and can power said upgrades too.
that's because you seem smart and why i am actually listening to your advice //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

If you need a case and a powersupply just check slickdeals or fatwallet for sales.
I know all about the slickdeals, and I am all about slickdeals. Checkin' it daily son.

Cliffs: Get a dell... check fatwallet for sales every week.
i would never buy a prebuilt desktop unless it was a crazy, crazy, crazy, good deal on a powerhouse dell....like a price mistake and a 30% off code deal that 99% of the orders for are cancelled and like only a few are lucky enough to have the system ship before they catch the mistake, and those are rare. Even then i'd probably still build instead of buy.

you don't need that 850 watt power supply. and plus your electric bill would hate you. seriously you THINK you may need it but you don't.
i dont pay an electric bill; it's included in rent. And while i might not need it now, in 4-5 years i would and could still be using the same PSU.

 
Exactly. A good case is a must in my opinion and i think it's always better to buy too big of a power supply because the next system you build will inevitably require more power. Plus to do any real OC'ing you need a quality PSU with solid rails ect...

you know i have seen some cool master stuff, but wasnt really sure about the quality compared to the brands i am used to.. antec, corsair, ect.

I dont seem to remember much about the brand back when i was OC'ing Athlon XP barton and thoroughbred cores so so long ago .. but you sound like you know your shiz and i'll definitely look into that.

Tons of multitasking, open programs, windows, HDTV, some encoding, and maybe some gaming but not enough to really justify high end GPU.

I'm using a dell XPS m1330 with a core 2 duo @ 2.2ghz, a Geforce 8400 and 3gigs of ram... and its starting to show its age. I cant even watch 1080p youtube videos, although that might be flash related because i have no problem with 1080p material in VLC..but 1080p in WMP will get funky sometimes too.

Good to know //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

As far as drives go, i pretty much have stuck with seagate just because it's the only brand i haven't had go out on me. I didnt know they bought maxtor, that sort of makes me nervous because i had some bad luck with some maxtor drives in the past.

Nonetheless, i completely realize they all die eventually and a lot has changed since i was really into this. Price/cache/seek/read/write times are what's really important.

What about thermalright for HSF? And just to be clear i do NOT mean anything related to that craptastic company thermaltake...
Ya I have been using coolermaster for HSF's for a good while, I remember OC'ing P4's when they were relatively new from 2.0-2.4ish to 3.8 no problem, coolermaster had some good heatsinks at the time for it. Never have used thermalright before so I cant really say ;\

They have some good cases, I've built more with antec though personally.

Are you opposed to going full tower vs mid-tower?

Here's some other cases I've used that I liked:

Cooler Master HAF 932 Full Tower Black Case at TigerDirect.com

Cooler Master HAF 922M ATX Black Mid-Tower Case - 5 External 5.25 Drive Bays, 5 Internal 3.5 Drive Bays, 2 200mm Fans, 1 120mm Fan at TigerDirect.com

For some drives storagereview.com like I mentioned above has some good reviews on benchmarks/speeds/reliability of a lot of popular drives. When it comes to speed of regular drives, most WD's are the fastest.

This is also a good board if you're looking to shave some $$$ somewhere, have done builds with both rampage and this board and they're both solid

Newegg.com - ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

To be completely honest too, the I7's can overclock really well, but for what you're doing you may not even need to do a lot of overclocking, they're pretty fast as it is.

Personally I do a ton of multitasking, HDTV/movies, a little encoding and a little gaming (used to do a lot when I built this computer but I dont have time for it anymore) and I'm only running a Core 2 Duo 2.66ghz + 4gb of ram and a 7900 GTX (Was great when I built it 5 years ago lol)

A little funny, doing extreme builds for all these customers and having that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif Gonna build a new one for myself this year though, which brings me to my next point.

Intel's due to release their new socket this year as well as 8-core processors (might be balls expensive for an 8-core, but will make 6-cores a lot cheaper). The processors will also be 32nm instead of 45, and with the new socket/boards comes a new chipset obviously too, which will make more features for boards too. Possibly instead of only having 2 USB 3.0's and 2 Sata 6gbps ports on most boards they'll be all usb 3.0 and native sata 6gbps?

(Most boards use an extra marvell or intel controller to support the faster sata ports instead of it being native in the chipset, which from what I've read leads to finnicky raid support at times for the 2 sata 6gbps ports)

I appreciate it, I've only learned from mistakes in the past, learning hands-on is the way to go.

 
i dunno.. i wanted a SSD drive for quite a while now and they're really coming down in price. I'm thinking i'll stick with a 128gb ssd drive.

What HSF do you use to OC your i7??
Sorry I never answered your question...

I use the stock intel heatsink. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I intent to move up to rather large WC system when I have the money. Going for 4ghz+

 
i saw you posted a $300 cash i dont think id ever pay that much for a case. ive got the antec p182 gun metal which i think i paid like $140-160 or so for. they got the p183 for about the same. you might wanna check it out. im looking to upgrade my computer within the next few months and ive been looking at the i7 950 on newegg for $290 i forgot the mobo and probly just doing 2-3db of pc3-1600 with a gtx 470 for like $250 i just needs those 4 things for about $850, since ive already got everthing else. ive got 2 64gb SSD's in raid 0 and a old seagate 160gb hdd i dont keep alot of stuff on my comp just some music and games

 
i saw you posted a $300 cash i dont think id ever pay that much for a case. ive got the antec p182 gun metal which i think i paid like $140-160 or so for. they got the p183 for about the same. you might wanna check it out. im looking to upgrade my computer within the next few months and ive been looking at the i7 950 on newegg for $290 i forgot the mobo and probly just doing 2-3db of pc3-1600 with a gtx 470 for like $250 i just needs those 4 things for about $850, since ive already got everthing else. ive got 2 64gb SSD's in raid 0 and a old seagate 160gb hdd i dont keep alot of stuff on my comp just some music and games
Maybe I'm tired but 2-3db of ps3-1600? If you mean 2-3gb you should save your money and not get an I7. No real point in getting an I7 IMO if you're only getting 2gb of memory.

That, and the case he picked out may be 300, but it comes with a solid 850 power supply so it's not purely the case.

 
most of the info in this thread is useless, or does not contain to what you listed in your OP. I would simply go look/read TomsHardware and do your own home work.
LOL, why don't you suggest something to him then, instead of just saying go to tomshardware?

 
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