What i've been up too... Dual Folded horn done by Toxic Bass for Fattony911

[Fattony911 10+ year member]

well it wouldnt bother me but everyones believing him and sayin like "yeah thats not a horn" but as you can clearly read in Petes post you can see hes wrong.

 

[Death By Bass 10+ year member]

well it wouldnt bother me but everyones believing him and sayin like "yeah thats not a horn" but as you can clearly read in Petes post you can see hes wrong.

they are believing me, because its true, and they know it, because other have designed and used horns aswell, or atleast looked at the theory behind them, to know that what you've got isn't a horn...

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

god **** ive never seen sucha ***** fest out of a single dumbass on this forum in years!

 

[PowerNaudio 10+ year member]

it was designed to the max deminsions of my car so he made use of what he had available

im not saying this to put any one down, or get on anyones side, just stating a point.

since i have build and design enclosures that because of the lack of space, i have had to convince the customer to down grade to a single sub to be able to get the best possible amount of sound out of one sub, instead of getting lousy performance out of two perfectly good sub, and as an end result the customer is more then happy, and learn that big subs or more subs doesn't always = good or loud bass. when the space available doesn't allow for the desired amount of subs or for the use of that particular sub.

I'm not an expert at the subject of horn loaded enclosure or an expert at all. but i have had done a little bit of reading on this subject and designed and build a couple for experimentation.

now to my point. ones the designer has the information regarding these questions.

1: how many subs are we using?.

2: how much area do i have for this enclosure?.

3: what is the customer trying to get out of this system? sq,sql,spl, etc...

4: what are the internal dimensions of the vehicle as far as how will cabin gain affect the system.

he can then sit down and select not only the best enclosure for the task, meaning sealed, ported, bandpass, TL. horn. etc....

but also if its appropriate to have a single or dual sub setup to get the optimum output from the system.

so if there was so much effort and experience behind this design and taken in to consideration the lack of space, size and amount of subs, then doing the horn loaded enclosure with dual 15" subs, would of clearly not been the best choice for this particular install.

most of the times the customer gets what he wants. and the designer/builder just makes the best of what the customer has at the customers request.

so if the enclosure sounds like *** and Pete told you it would sound like ***, and you told him you still want it and he gives you the best dual 15" horn loaded enclosure he can fit in your vehicle. then that's really your fault and waisted money, if it does in fact sounds like ***. which none of us really know till the enclosure is finally done.

now if you told him what you had to work with and he plainly told you, here is the best enclosure design for them subs. and it ends up sounding like *** once the build is done. then that's on Pete. and i would request more then the cash paid for the design.

but untill the enclosure is done with and you as a customer aprove or desaprove on the sound. then will just have to wait. lol.

so iamamp3pimp any updates on the build?

 

[Fattony911 10+ year member]

im not saying this to put any one down, or get on anyones side, just stating a point.
since i have build and design enclosures that because of the lack of space, i have had to convince the customer to down grade to a single sub to be able to get the best possible amount of sound out of one sub, instead of getting lousy performance out of two perfectly good sub, and as an end result the customer is more then happy, and learn that big subs or more subs doesn't always = good or loud bass. when the space available doesn't allow for the desired amount of subs or for the use of that particular sub.

I'm not an expert at the subject of horn loaded enclosure or an expert at all. but i have had done a little bit of reading on this subject and designed and build a couple for experimentation.

now to my point. ones the designer has the information regarding these questions.

1: how many subs are we using?.

2: how much area do i have for this enclosure?.

3: what is the customer trying to get out of this system? sq,sql,spl, etc...

4: what are the internal dimensions of the vehicle as far as how will cabin gain affect the system.

he can then sit down and select not only the best enclosure for the task, meaning sealed, ported, bandpass, TL. horn. etc....

but also if its appropriate to have a single or dual sub setup to get the optimum output from the system.

so if there was so much effort and experience behind this design and taken in to consideration the lack of space, size and amount of subs, then doing the horn loaded enclosure with dual 15" subs, would of clearly not been the best choice for this particular install.

most of the times the customer gets what he wants. and the designer/builder just makes the best of what the customer has at the customers request.

so if the enclosure sounds like *** and Pete told you it would sound like ***, and you told him you still want it and he gives you the best dual 15" horn loaded enclosure he can fit in your vehicle. then that's really your fault and waisted money, if it does in fact sounds like ***. which none of us really know till the enclosure is finally done.

now if you told him what you had to work with and he plainly told you, here is the best enclosure design for them subs. and it ends up sounding like *** once the build is done. then that's on Pete. and i would request more then the cash paid for the design.

but untill the enclosure is done with and you as a customer aprove or desaprove on the sound. then will just have to wait. lol.

so iamamp3pimp any updates on the build?

my thoughts exactly, but even if it does sound like a big port ill still be happy regardless lol but all in all i think it will preform Pete has yet to let me down on plans they all sound amazing.

 

[iamamp3pimp 5,000+ posts]

yes.

It is done.

and there are pics.

but they are not posted yet, as i am at work, and will post them tonight/tomorrow.

 

[JoshHd6 10+ year member]

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[iamamp3pimp 5,000+ posts]

oh Josh, You have progress as well.

Thread will be up in a couple of days, as i want it to be done first.

-Robin

 

[JoshHd6 10+ year member]

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[Toxic Tuan 10+ year member]

WOW!!!!!

All I can say is WOW!!!!

Hi Guys,

Thank you iamamp3pimp for bringing this thread to my attention. As you guys may know...I'm the team Captain of Team Toxic Bass. Let me clarify some things is you don't mind.

Horns: many may give a fancy name "horn" BUT a true horn will only exist inside of a room...or will require a size of a room...with a large cabin. Any horn inside a vehicle is never true horn...but does have horn characteristics. Hence...many of car audio enthusiasts calls them horns. These horn characteristics may include horn compression, horn guide, decompression....etc. Again...a true horn has yet to exist and work well in a vehicle...not even in a extreme vehicle. (note: with this i mean to exist better than other enclosures.)

What it looks like: Do not let the eye fool you. Don't assume that just because it's a particular box...it'll perform a certain way. Vehicle consideration is always taken effect.

I trust in Pete's ability to design and build enclosures. Pete has gone a long way since I've first met him and designed the infamous so called "Rear Horn" in his vehicle. Many people criticized because it was a wall that allowed it to do the hairtrick. Well, first of all...it's way behind the B pillar. Secondly...I challenge anybody to try and duplicate it...not as easy as most people think with 2 subs and 1 amp on a 12 volt system. We've had many many manufactures contact us with regards to the setup...questioning what the heck we did with their products to produce that kind of dynamics. On certain designs...especially in the high order series...I can very well tell you that Pete has surpassed my designs and brought it to a new level.

Box design charges: As a team...we don't charge box designs to make money for our pockets...we actually use the money towards the website and try to bring info to other car audio enthusiasts. You will see a lot more information and tutorial after the 2006 DBDRAG finals when I'm not so busy.

News and Important:

Last year...many people questioned and challenged that we're all hype and we know nothing of SPL. So when 2006 DBDRAG season kicked in...I decided to take that challenge up. This is were I prove my point: I'll be at DBDRAG finals in 3 weeks. I tied with the defending world champ on the highest US certified score of 154.7 with 2 10's, 2 amps and 1 battery: DBDRAG Street A. I can break a 154 db with just about every decent sub you give me...including SoundStream T4's....very inexpensive drivers. I'm not sure if our point has been proven...but let's see how well I do at finals. =) Not too bad so far for a 1st year noobie? Fingers crossed.

With the box I'm using in my vehicle right now...most experienced box builder will tell you that "according to theory" it's impossible for that box to work.

I'm doing all of this because I love car audio. This has nothing to do with money or ego or anything of that nature. I hope you guys will see our true motive.

Thanks,

Tuan

 

[delvryboy 5,000+ posts]

WOW!!!!!
All I can say is WOW!!!!

Hi Guys,

Thank you iamamp3pimp for bringing this thread to my attention. As you guys may know...I'm the team Captain of Team Toxic Bass. Let me clarify some things is you don't mind.

Horns: many may give a fancy name "horn" BUT a true horn will only exist inside of a room...or will require a size of a room...with a large cabin. Any horn inside a vehicle is never true horn...but does have horn characteristics. Hence...many of car audio enthusiasts calls them horns. These horn characteristics may include horn compression, horn guide, decompression....etc. Again...a true horn has yet to exist and work well in a vehicle...not even in a extreme vehicle. (note: with this i mean to exist better than other enclosures.)

What it looks like: Do not let the eye fool you. Don't assume that just because it's a particular box...it'll perform a certain way. Vehicle consideration is always taken effect.

I trust in Pete's ability to design and build enclosures. Pete has gone a long way since I've first met him and designed the infamous so called "Rear Horn" in his vehicle. Many people criticized because it was a wall that allowed it to do the hairtrick. Well, first of all...it's way behind the B pillar. Secondly...I challenge anybody to try and duplicate it...not as easy as most people think with 2 subs and 1 amp on a 12 volt system. We've had many many manufactures contact us with regards to the setup...questioning what the heck we did with their products to produce that kind of dynamics. On certain designs...especially in the high order series...I can very well tell you that Pete has surpassed my designs and brought it to a new level.

Box design charges: As a team...we don't charge box designs to make money for our pockets...we actually use the money towards the website and try to bring info to other car audio enthusiasts. You will see a lot more information and tutorial after the 2006 DBDRAG finals when I'm not so busy.

News and Important:

Last year...many people questioned and challenged that we're all hype and we know nothing of SPL. So when 2006 DBDRAG season kicked in...I decided to take that challenge up. This is were I prove my point: I'll be at DBDRAG finals in 3 weeks. I tied with the defending world champ on the highest US certified score of 154.7 with 2 10's, 2 amps and 1 battery: DBDRAG Street A. I can break a 154 db with just about every decent sub you give me...including SoundStream T4's....very inexpensive drivers. I'm not sure if our point has been proven...but let's see how well I do at finals. =) Not too bad so far for a 1st year noobie? Fingers crossed.

With the box I'm using in my vehicle right now...most experienced box builder will tell you that "according to theory" it's impossible for that box to work.

I'm doing all of this because I love car audio. This has nothing to do with money or ego or anything of that nature. I hope you guys will see our true motive.

Thanks,

Tuan

hehe, i was lookin' at your certified steet A score last night.... nice job! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Death By Bass 10+ year member]

hehe, i was lookin' at your certified steet A score last night.... nice job! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

not that that has anything to do with anything, and I dont even know why he posted his lifes story here, whats it got to do with anything? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Toxic Tuan 10+ year member]

not that that has anything to do with anything, and I dont even know why he posted his lifes story here, whats it got to do with anything? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Because when people talk smack...I have to back it up with a REAL certified number and not just claim some numbers like most people. If that's not proof...I don't know what is. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

tuan

 

[Fattony911 10+ year member]

not that that has anything to do with anything, and I dont even know why he posted his lifes story here, whats it got to do with anything? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

AWWW it's ok if your still upset about Steve Irwin's death youll get over it soon.

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

WOW!!!!!

Horns: many may give a fancy name "horn" BUT a true horn will only exist inside of a room...or will require a size of a room...with a large cabin. Any horn inside a vehicle is never true horn...but does have horn characteristics. Hence...many of car audio enthusiasts calls them horns. These horn characteristics may include horn compression, horn guide, decompression....etc. Again...a true horn has yet to exist and work well in a vehicle...not even in a extreme vehicle. (note: with this i mean to exist better than other enclosures.)

Tis true , the only True horn I have ever seen was fargin huge //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif