What is the best 1000wrms sub?

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I thiknk we are getting into an argument over wording now. "Over rated" could easily be used to mean over-hyped, over-appreciated, etc.

And price does affect SQ in an odd sort of way. Two Fi Q's, for example, only being required to play half as hard as a single W7 to produce the same output level, would each be working much less hard than the W7 (in terms of linear displacement), and could/would likely display less over all distortion, at that output level. So you see, price CAN affect SQ capabilities... sort of. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Its like the argument against the CMass UL12. Great sub, but for the price (or less) you could easily buy multiple lesser subs that together would out perform the single UL handily.

W7... great sub, but the price makes it less realisitic than some other choices. Of course, this applies to virtually any of the expensive 'supersubs' out there, just a bit more to this one since its priced near the top of the list, and always has been.

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

That still isn't an effect of the price on the sound. That's an effect of the user not using the right setup for his goal.

I hate the term "outperform" as it is continually thrown around on this forum. 99.99% of the time the person using it is talking 100% about SPL and almost always referencing a driver that is not meant to get particularly loud on the losing end. I would hope that you could get louder than a sub designed to be extremely accurate on the bottom end with a couple less expensive subs. As soon as you start rating subs on quality rather than quantity of output, outperforming certain subs becomes markedly more difficult.

 

[Anonymous 10+ year member]

What amp are you running? And it is dependant on what you are looking for out of your sub to be able to tell you which would be best. Unless you are referring to the best built for the money. If you want SQL go with the ID Max, W7, or Type X, I would get the ID Max for SQL. For SPL go with the RE SX or the RF T2. But if you do go the SPL route I can think of some better subs than what you have listed.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

That still isn't an effect of the price on the sound. That's an effect of the user not using the right setup for his goal.
I hate the term "outperform" as it is continually thrown around on this forum. 99.99% of the time the person using it is talking 100% about SPL and almost always referencing a driver that is not meant to get particularly loud on the losing end. I would hope that you could get louder than a sub designed to be extremely accurate on the bottom end with a couple less expensive subs. As soon as you start rating subs on quality rather than quantity of output, outperforming certain subs becomes markedly more difficult.

I thought I was pretty clear in stating I was discussing distortion levels at a given output level.
"Two Fi Q's, for example, only being required to play half as hard as a single W7 to produce the same output level, would each be working much less hard than the W7 (in terms of linear displacement), and could/would likely display less over all distortion, at that output level."

Where from that statement do you get that I was only referring to SPL levels? I was stating just the opposite. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Both setups, the user has the same goal.... less distortion at a given output level. Setup 1 consists of a single W7 being played close to its full potential to reach the specified SPL output level. The second setup consists of two lesser quality subs being required to play to a lesser degree to reach the same output level (given their combined output potential is greater than the single W7). Given the exact situation, what the lesser subs are, etc... that could easily lead to the pair of lesser subs displaying less distortion at that, or any given output level. Speaking in total theory here of course, I have no intention of trying to compare specific model subs over the internet.

And there are obvious down sides to the dual but cheaper sub setup.... generally it will require more enclosure volume, to name one.

I only use the term 'out performing' when I clearly define it within the context. I thought I had done that. In my example, the dual setup would display less distortion than the single driver at any given output level.

My comments do not describe a flaw inherent to W7's, its simply their price tag and notoriety that makes them the poster child for this application of the law of diminishing returns on investment. Id rather have the two XXX's I own than the one UL I could have bought with that money. But someone could easily make the argument Id be better off had I bought four of some lesser sub, assuming I have the space. *shrug*