what do you guys think about war?

[97dakota 10+ year member]

War is sometimes a quick answer to a problem, but it is never the right answer. The World had a chance to remove Saddam from power 12 years ago and they failed, now they are complaining about his policies - well should have thought of that before.

The US feels that their "way of life" is the only way of life. Until the US learns tolerance they have no right to police the world. Even then they still don't have the right.

As for the US saving the world -----BAH. Humans have been on the planet for over 5000 years the US has only been around for about 5% of that time. To think that the US has been a major player in Human history is conceited. There was war before the US was here, there will be war long after the US is gone - unfortunately it's part of human nature.

The driving force behind war has been and always will be wealth and power. The only way to abolish war would be to take away wealth and power. The only way to accomplish this is for everyone in the world to realize that everyone/every life is equal.

Everyone is equal, that is a policy I have lived my life by. I have never been in a fight, I have never been attacked by anyone, and I will not judge someone before I know what they are like. (sounds like star trek) [/b]

War is never the best answer.? know any jews, gypsies, ****, handicapped people. of course hitler was trying to rid the world of the "undesirables," but yea thats, cool, we should have given him more time. right. How would you feel about, laying in a bed, and getting your eyes cut on to see if they could some how make them turn blue. yeah, we should have given him some more time.

as far as the U.S. and are way of life. we aren't trying to put our way of life on anyone. we are trying to free the opressed people in Iraq, which many are undergoing the same tourture as the jews were, and trying to preserve the way of life that allows us to have this very argument. we are trying to stop sadam from placing the weapons of mass destruction into the hands of Bin laden, or anyone with enough money. that is what this war is about. saving lives, not finding a way to take them.

Yeah the U.S. saved the world in WWII, unless you want to have a lap shade made from your skin. me, nay I will pass.

there is no greed, power hunger or power that is going to come from the U.S. defeating sadam and secureing his weapons. it is to save your family, my family, the kid walking down the street, your coworkers, your mom, your dad, sister brother, aunt, uncle, grandma grandpa, neice, nephew, cousin, boss, friends, from dieing one of the most horrible and painful deaths knowen to man. those pics that continue to show up in this forum of the deformed babies, are excatly what the babies of innocent americans are going to look like if we allow sadam to have six more months.

It has nothing to do with the U.S. being here for 100 years and humans for 5000 a very off topic argument. yeah everyone is born equal. some work harder than others, that is all.

"IF YOUR GOING THROUGH HELL, KEEP GOING" WINSTON CHURCHILL

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

War is still never the right answer. How is killing innocent iraqi people going to stop saddam? He doesn't care about his people anyway.

I'm not saying to wait for him to screw up, I'm saying don't launch a war because of 100% circumstantial evidence.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict War is still never the right answer. How is killing innocent iraqi people going to stop saddam? He doesn't care about his people anyway.

 

I'm not saying to wait for him to screw up, I'm saying don't launch a war because of 100% circumstantial evidence.

WWII wasn't neccesary. O.K. right. do you like the rights you have and are able to gripe about them. wouldn't be under nazi rule.

well then what are you saying. if we give him six months he knows six months to the day when the U.N. inspectors are coming in and when to have all his weapons of mass destruction in the hands of the terrorist. don't wait for him to screw up but wait long enough for him to get rid of all his stuff. very logical argument.

 

[MikeofTulsa Moderator]

i still stick w/ my original opinion.....a well placed sniper will solve all the problems....

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Goddyd4me i still stick w/ my original opinion.....a well placed sniper will solve all the problems....

while I wish it was that easy it wouldn't work. god I wish it would though

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

Exactly.

Get rid of the problem.

Where did I say WWII wasn't nessacary. All I'm saying is that had everyone thought about it, millions of deaths during WWII could have been avoided. Same sitution here, Why kill millions of innocent people and leave the problem alone?

By promoting this war you are saying - get rid of a contagious disease by killing the patient, sure it'll help inthe short run, but the disease wasn't stopped, just slowed down.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict Exactly.

 

Get rid of the problem.

 

Where did I say WWII wasn't nessacary. All I'm saying is that had everyone thought about it, millions of deaths during WWII could have been avoided. Same sitution here, Why kill millions of innocent people and leave the problem alone?

 

By promoting this war you are saying - get rid of a contagious disease by killing the patient, sure it'll help inthe short run, but the disease wasn't stopped, just slowed down.

please do tell how we could have reasoned with hitler.

the patients are going to be the free world if we don't kill the ****n virus, terrorists and bio/chem warfare.

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 97dakota War is never the best answer.? know any jews, gypsies, ****, handicapped people. of course hitler was trying to rid the world of the "undesirables," but yea thats, cool, we should have given him more time. right. How would you feel about, laying in a bed, and getting your eyes cut on to see if they could some how make them turn blue. yeah, we should have given him some more time.

Funny.. I was sure we stayed out of it officaly until Pear Harbor.. had nothing to do with 6 million+ Jews.. had to do with an American base being attacked..

as far as the U.S. and are way of life. we aren't trying to put our way of life on anyone. we are trying to free the opressed people in Iraq, which many are undergoing the same tourture as the jews were, and trying to preserve the way of life that allows us to have this very argument. we are trying to stop sadam from placing the weapons of mass destruction into the hands of Bin laden, or anyone with enough money. that is what this war is about. saving lives, not finding a way to take them.

Actually, as I recall.. we didn't give a rat's *** about Iraq.. we were 'saving Kuwait'.. from Saddam.. I could be wrong though.. The fact that Saddam was killing millions of Kuwaitie people had nothing to do with it..

Yeah the U.S. saved the world in WWII, unless you want to have a lap shade made from your skin. me, nay I will pass.

 

there is no greed, power hunger or power that is going to come from the U.S. defeating sad[d]am and secureing his weapons. it is to save your family, my family, the kid walking down the street, your coworkers, your mom, your dad, sister brother, aunt, uncle, grandma grandpa, neice, nephew, cousin, boss, friends, from dieing one of the most horrible and painful deaths knowen to man. those pics that continue to show up in this forum of the deformed babies, are excatly what the babies of innocent americans are going to look like if we allow sadam to have six more months.

Those babies look like that because of US... America. .. NOT from Saddam.. he at least kills people, not causes them such horrific lives.. Could you immagine being in the birthing room with your wife and seeing one of THOSE come out?????

And this isn't about "sucuring his weapons" or we would accept his letting UN inspectors have greater access.. but instead of waiting to see, we are pushing an invasion..

It has nothing to do with the U.S. being here for 100 years and humans for 5000 a very off topic argument. yeah everyone is born equal. some work harder than others, that is all.

 

"IF YOUR GOING THROUGH HELL, KEEP GOING" WINSTON CHURCHILL

NO ONE in this country has it like some in other countries.. Even the homeless here can get food from a shelter if needed (spent 2 years living in the street, don't try to tell me there aren't resources).. Some in other countries are lucky to eat twice a week..

work hard.. like any American knows about hard work.. I used to work in factories.. hated it.. went home sore and complained as I lied down on my couch in my heated/air-conditioned house, complaining about how 'hard' I worked.. But, compared to people working their hands to the bone (literaly) and bleeding daily for just enough to barely get by.. I've not been through shit.. nor have you..

Some cultures that the US has interfered with ARE thousands of years old, yet, us being only a few centuries old should tell them how to behave or cunduct themselves? that's not based on greed or what we think we might get from it?

Anyway.. There is no end to this discussion.. Some think the US is being hasty, others think we are delinquent and should have acted already..

If the US government hadn't shown time and again how currupt it was, this wouldn't be an issue.. now would it..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 97dakota please do tell how we could have reasoned with hitler.

 

 

the patients are going to be the free world if we don't kill the ****n virus, terrorists and bio/chem warfare.

Well.. since Hitler had Sypholis (sp) and was insane.. you couldn't reason with him..

But, had the 'rules of war' not been a concern, we could have blown his head off and been done with it... But, since the time of the wars against Europe when we finally got independance, there has been some BS about 'gentlemans' war.. whatever.. fuk that.. it's war, there is some SERIOUS problem, and letting some psycho leader live isn't gonna save lives..

And, WWII didn't end with Hitler, it ended when we blasted the fuk out of Japan for attacking us in a war we were avoiding..

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

Dakota - quit beating around the bush, and answer my question.

How will killing millions of innocent people stop saddam?

So far all I see is an example of what my HS history teacher said "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsh1t"

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Savant Funny.. I was sure we stayed out of it officaly until Pear Harbor.. had nothing to do with 6 million+ Jews.. had to do with an American base being attacked..

 

never said that wasn't the reason we got involved. what I was saying if you would have read the post and comprehended as you are always bashing myself about is this. if we had not got in the war when we did, because of the pacifist, leftist, peacenics like your self, and others, that would have been the reality. if we wanted to oh lets say, england fell, there would have been no hope. I.E. if we wait till terrorist with sadams, bombs, kill hundreds of thousands of free people, it might be a little to late. unless you want those deaths on your hands.

 

[BonusBobo 10+ year member]

by the way... blitzkrieg. That's how it's spelled. for the record.

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

Savant: I believe dakota is one of the people we were talking about earlier.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict Dakota - quit beating around the bush, and answer my question.

 

How will killing millions of innocent people stop saddam?

 

So far all I see is an example of what my HS history teacher said "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsh1t"

wasn't meaning to beat around the bush, was just stuck on one topic.

killing million of innocent people is never a good idea. noone, other than psycho's I.E. hitler, sadam, the russian in control in WWII. obviously.

however, we wouldn't be the ones killing them, and our boys will be on the fronts lines. not the tenderfooted canadians. the whole U.N. thing. Sadam, blowing up the chemical weapons that he didn't sell, will be killing them. Umm, we will be there to, trying to protect those that want to give him more time, so, in response, if noone could die and he would have done ecxatly what we had said, great. but 14 failed resolutions fromt he U.N. over 12 years, with leftist president in office, didn't do it so why will six months.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict Savant: I believe dakota is one of the people we were talking about earlier.

think of me as you wish.