what do you guys think about war?

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Actually, as I recall.. we didn't give a rat's *** about Iraq.. we were 'saving Kuwait'.. from Saddam.. I could be wrong though.. The fact that Saddam was killing millions of Kuwaitie people had nothing to do with it..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the US government hadn't shown time and again how currupt it was, this wouldn't be an issue.. now would it.. [/b]

 

I was talking about this war, I geuss back to the reading and comprehending thing.

 

I also didn't know about the babies, ofcourse that is a horrible thing to do, and as selfish as this may seem. I don't want that over here. so unless you do, sadams' weapons must be round up.

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 97dakota

Originally posted by Savant Funny.. I was sure we stayed out of it officaly until Pear Harbor.. had nothing to do with 6 million+ Jews.. had to do with an American base being attacked..

 

never said that wasn't the reason we got involved. what I was saying if you would have read the post and comprehended as you are always bashing myself about is this. if we had not got in the war when we did, because of the pacifist, leftist, peacenics like your self, and others, that would have been the reality. if we wanted to oh lets say, england fell, there would have been no hope. I.E. if we wait till terrorist with sadams, bombs, kill hundreds of thousands of free people, it might be a little to late. unless you want those deaths on your hands.

My point.. the US didn't feel a need to put our nose in the global conflict at that point (not directly).. we only got pissed when someone shit in our chereos..

Trust me, I'm no peacenic.. I wish like HELL I had been old enough to go to Nam.. Gulf War? NO!!!! not for me.. WWII? sure, would have been cool.. my grandfather was there, has a samuri-sword he took from a jap he shot in the head.. I have NO problem fighting for my rights, or for the rights of those that need assistence (even though the Vietnam Confilct was a crock of shit, the South Vietnamese needed help).. but I don't want to fight and loose human life over some bullshit.. If Saddam is a psycho fuk, kill him.. be done with it.. but to risk thousands of American lives over this is totally fukked.. My Brother is currently in POW training (yes, training to be a Prisoner of War).. He's on his way to Kuwait.. and it makes me sick.. There is no point in it at this point because we haven't exhausted our options.. We have the MOST ADVANCED military in the ENTIRE WORLD.. I don't doubt for a SECOND that we could toast ANY missle launched at the US.. If we make sure there is no way to 'sneak' something across our borders, we are good (though, with the 'war on drugs' letting billions of dollars of drugs into this country, one has to wonder)..

I keep hearing about how if we hadn't gotten into WWII when we did that 'we would be under Nazi rule'.. bullshit.. we would have dropped the bomb on Germany instead of Japan.. think about it.. we were in a position not to care about shit.. we only acted because we were sucker punched.. nothing more..

Anyway..... this is going nowhere..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 97dakota I was talking about this war, I geuss back to the reading and comprehending thing.

 

I also didn't know about the babies, ofcourse that is a horrible thing to do, and as selfish as this may seem. I don't want that over here. so unless you do, sadams' weapons must be round up.

As far as I've seen, Saddam doesn't use depleted uranium.. Only we do..

as far as reading comprehension, there are several under-tones here.. the base of this thread is about Iraq.. nothing more.. all the other crap is noise to detract from the base issue.. I'm not sure what you are getting at.. this war isn't about helping the current Iraqi people either.. it's about making sure Saddam can't attack us through Al-Quida (sp).. *shrug*..

In any event, it's all a bunch of BS.. we can disarm dickstick without killing civillians and US Soliders and alienating the global community.. but that's not the 'macho' thing to do..

*shrug*

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

you guys do remeber what happened on SEptember 11th coreect. 3000 innocent lives were lost.

sadam has and will use thepower to do worse and we should give him time. thats like saying we knew about the 9-11 attacks, but there was no hard proof, so we WAITED until something happened. after all that is your argument. no 100% conclusieve proof, so we wait. something tells me there is somethin seriously wrong with that logic. of course as you put it, thats my opinon.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Savant As far as I've seen, Saddam doesn't use depleted uranium.. Only we do..

 

as far as reading comprehension, there are several under-tones here.. the base of this thread is about Iraq.. nothing more.. all the other crap is noise to detract from the base issue.. I'm not sure what you are getting at.. this war isn't about helping the current Iraqi people either.. it's about making sure Saddam can't attack us through Al-Quida (sp).. *shrug*..

 

In any event, it's all a bunch of BS.. we can disarm dickstick without killing civillians and US Soliders and alienating the global community.. but that's not the 'macho' thing to do..

 

*shrug*

sure we can kill him without all of that. but that still will get us nowhere

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict Savant: I believe dakota is one of the people we were talking about earlier.

what type of people am I by the way. the type that loves my freedom and is willing to die to protect your right tobash on others

 

[LuRp 10+ year member]

Well as much as I would like to not get back into this thread, I must say one thing.

Do I have to remind you hippies about The World Trade Center attack on 9/11/2001?

Savant and Mr. Canada over here seem so sure about things. If 19 people with make-shift boxcutters could turn 4 Airplanes into 4 ICBM's (Inter-continental Ballistic Missles), what do you think 100 people with a tacticle nuke, that the precious few Saudi's (get it? probably not) bought for them, could do?

Hmm... maybe im wrong. Lets give them all the time they need.

As for those pictures of the dead babies. Thats absolutly horrible. Makes me sick. But you know what else is horrible? I will tell you a story.

Besides from working about 350 feet away from ground zero, im also an volunteer EMT (Emergency Medical Technician). On 9/11 - 9/12, I was at ground zero as an EMT. Do you want to know how many people i took to the hospital? ZERO. Do you want to know how many countless body parts and pieces of random flesh i picked up? Like I said countless. On a side note - The FDNY had rescue dogs. They had them search the area for living people. They found none, the dogs got extremly depressed when they didn't find anyone. So every now and then a firefighter would prepare a moch-rescue, if you will, to cheer up the dogs.

Oh, and Mr. Canada, you seem to think Canada is fine and dandy until the "facist" USA brought all this icky stuff to wonderfull Canada. Well, why dont you do some reaserch and look up how many of the terrorist entered my country through the paradise that Canada is. And how many Nazi's fled to Canada and South America to avoid trial after WWII.

But, In 1981, when Israel bombed Saddam's nulear plant, preventing him from building nuclear bombs, I suppose that was propaganda aswell.

The problem with you people is that "it's never enough". You have the same mentality that the Red Cross (not the American Red Cross), had when they went to do their inspections of the death camps that the Nazi's used to murder 6 million Jews, and thousands of others. They found no "proof".

Well, you know what you can do with your "proof".

LuRp

 

[LuRp 10+ year member]

dakota, i think you and I are on the same wavelength.

 

[LuRp 10+ year member]

I appologize for leaving out the 600+ that lost their lives at the Pentagon.

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

nope, the type that can't comprehend no matter how hard you try.

You are saying - Bin laden hurt us so we should hurt saddam (because he has ties to al-quaida and we can't hurt the late Bin Laden. Basically the old eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

Yes Saddam should be removed from power, but there are many better ways to do it besides war (sniper, poison, direct attack on him and him only). No where in my arguments did I say "wait and see what hapens". I've only said that war is not the solution.

When the war comes I will defend my home country. I have pride in my countries acheivements, and will defend my way of life if need be, but I will not condone an unjust war.

I fully believe in peace, and that there is a peaceful solution to the worlds problems.

Patriotism is a good thing, to a point. To take patriotism so far that war is the only alternative is a bad thing.

when you go to fight the war, remember, that soldier that you are aiming your gun at has a father, mother, cousins, uncles, etc. and the loss to them is no different than if you lost a member of your family.

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Oh, and Mr. Canada, you seem to think Canada is fine and dandy until the "facist" USA brought all this icky stuff to wonderfull Canada. Well, why dont you do some reaserch and look up how many of the terrorist entered my country through the paradise that Canada is. And how many Nazi's fled to Canada and South America to avoid trial after WWII.
But, In 1981, when Israel bombed Saddam's nulear plant, preventing him from building nuclear bombs, I suppose that was propaganda aswell.

The problem with you people is that "it's never enough". You have the same mentality that the Red Cross (not the American Red Cross), had when they went to do their inspections of the death camps that the Nazi's used to murder 6 million Jews, and thousands of others. They found no "proof".

Lurp let me help you out buddy. Some people just don't want to be confused by such trivial and old fashioned ideals like truth or reality. They remind me of Neville Chamberlain in the 30's with Hitler.

Anyone ever hear of the Kellog-Briond Pact. Signed in the 30's by every major world power including Nazi Germany. It outlawed war between nations forever. Peace in our time. Well now that Uncle Adolf has signed this we can quit worrying about those pesky weapons violations which conflict with the Versailles Treaty.

Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it's lessons.

PEACE

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

BTW, are we sure that Bin Laden is dead? They just think he is, correct?

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

except for the video tapes, no one has heard or seen from him in almost 18 months.

Canadian scientists have determined that the tape sent to the can. govt a few months ago was recorded before 9/11. The 9/11 attacks were planned months, if not years, beforehand. Do I believe he is dead -yes, is there proof, nothing solid but I feel safer thinking he's dead.

Even if he is not dead - Saddam is/was one of his biggest supporters, removing Saddam from power will de-rail the al-quaida money train. Do I hold saddam responsible for the 9/11 attacks, no. My probl;em with Saddam is that he is a madman and should be leading however many million people live in Iraq.

BTW - No, you don't have to remind me about 9/11, I lost two relatives in the attack, but I feel no need to avenge their deaths as it won't bring them back.

Also - Saddam didn't know when the UN inspectors were coming (at least according to the local papers and all news programs on tv), so he wouldn't have been able to hide his W.O.M.D.

 

[LuRp 10+ year member]

LLW,

Im a little unsure if your post is sarcastic or supportive of mine. I would like to think its supportive, but the "Lurp, lemme help you out buddy" cought me by suprise. heh

LuRp

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Sorry LuRp but it was completely in agreement with yours.

Ever notice that of all the protestors NOT ONE was protesting Iraq...the instigator.

To those who claim Saddam can be peacefully disarmed please explain how this would happen and why it hasn't?

And no the Iraqis don't use depleted uranium...only because the technology is beyond them at this. Perhaps we should wait for them too catch up so we can have another 9 year multi continent world war which kills millions? And don't forget Saddam has been working on enriched uranium weapons for 20+ years.

I've seen this nonsense approach from peaceniks before. If we would just disarm FIRST of course the Soviets would do the same. Wake up folks this is the greatest military power ever seen AND the only one with the maturity to NOT go out on wars of conquest.

The true history that we are watching unfold is the neutering of the UN by it's own members similar to the League of Nations. Politics and greed, so often blamed on the US, are the reasons France, Russia, and Germany don't want the war. They are the silent partners in Saddam's death machine. Not wanting to kill maybe but wanting the profits...and if that means innocents will die, oh well.

And let's not forget that the Korean and Iraqi missile improvements are due to technology purchased from the Chinese. Where did they get it? Weren't they a third rate power just a short time ago? Well to those who watch what happens in the world there was a US company named Loral Industries which designed the software which allowed our missiles to operate flawlessly and use GPS signals for targeting. The Chinese wanted to buy it. The pentagon and defense department turned down Loral's request to sell on multiple occassions. President Clinton needed money to run enough of a media blitz to convince Americans that he was a victim of a witch hunt. The President overrode the Pentagon. Loral and the Chinese Government kicked in to the Democratic Party. The technology transferred. Now we have another mess.

PEACE