what do you guys think about war?

[97dakota 10+ year member]

yea all men are created equal in the since that every man woman and child has the right to believe and WORK for anything that they **** well please. at least here in america they can. unalienable rights, as in life liberty and the persute(sp) of happiness. says nothing about, if you have more money then give it to the poor. rich people are rich for a reason. they are smart, went to school, and WORKED HARD FOR WHAT THEY HAVE. you are talking about communism. everyone has an equal share. government pays for your medical, vision dental insurance. you give all your money to the government, you have no control or say in what they do. sounds like the leftiest argument. yeah, you would like communism, they support welfare.

 

[Corsica 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by jlaine People... Do you realize how that ballot for saddam was taken?

 

Most of that "blood support" was likely from the people being beaten into signing for his campaign. Think about it... HOW do you make your entire country of people agree with you? You don't... You force them to.

 

Me? I'm tired of sitting idle and watching our country become the focus for some idiotic fanatics, I think it's time to start head hunting as they have already proven to us several times over that they don't care how many of our own they kill, military or otherwise.

Josh,

I'm going to agree with u to an extent. I say head hunt the fukkin terrorists and Saddaam supporters but not just any middle eastern person like everyone else seems to wanna do. Think about it, we take out al-queida, or saddam's *****es.....they have supporters we kill them, then their family and friends hate us for killing their family and friewnds, they fight us we kill a few and the process repeates. So basically anyway we see it we fukked.

So who's gonna win the Stanley Cup??

J

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LuRp yeah, couldnt have said it better.

 

 

Savant,

 

So get the hell outta MY country and live with all the hard workers. Your being redundant, and by you focusing on spelling mistakes you further strengthen the fact that you are very insecure about your argument. Keep calling me an "*** hole" and a "fuker".

Yes, I did start tossing out the insults.. I'm getting pretty angry about how ignorant some people can be.. it's those kind of people that have us on the brink of war in the first place.. I wasn't focusing on spelling mistakes either.. I made one smart assed comment and you decided to use that as a basis for your next post? okies.. whatever.. And I have no insecurity about my argument.. I still don't understand why you keep bringing that up.. Projecting perhaps?

I took apart your post sentence by sentence with facts, and sources. They are not "good enough" for you. I mean hell, go join the security council, you would be perfect there. I mean none of the proof that Colin Powel provided was "good enough" either.

Actually, no... you didn't.. you didn't offer ONE piece of evidence that refuted anything I've said.. then or now.. why? because you can't.. that's why.. The closest you came was implying the only way to get propane was from refining oil .. which is an incomplete statement and therefore doesn't mean you proved me wrong with fact... Other than that, you offered no proof of anything, not even anything close to being relavant..

I mean seriously, your trying to make me feel bad about what i have, and what i earned. Well i dont. Apparently thats "not being a good human being" in your eye's.

 

So go be a "good human". Sell your house and all your belongings that dont really belong to you b/c some ppl in the world have a hard life, and get over there! what the hell are you waiting for! Im sure they can use a good software engineer over in samalia after all.

 

LuRp

Once again.. NOONE is trying to make you feel bad about what you have.. My point is 'earned' is relative (ethnocentrism sneaking back in) and that there are a lot of people 'in the world' that have to go without so you can have.. and that makes them angry.. you seem to think they have no right to get angry about it.. I happen to be able to understand it.. No one is suggesting we all give up all we have either, just suggesting that maybe we shouldn't be such rude arrogant assholes to the rest of the world (and try to respect the global population and the planet by not being so wastefull)..

Anyway.. This conversation is pretty much dead.. There is no point in continuing it since you don't seem to absorb what you read.. We have degenerated to tossing insults back and forth which shows that we've run out of things to debate.. So, unless you actually post a response that is debatable or contains something of substance, I'll not bother to respond.. I'm sure you will have a criteque of this post, but this is pretty much the same post(s) we've been doing for the past 3 or 4 rounds..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 97dakota yea all men are created equal in the since that every man woman and child has the right to believe and WORK for anything that they **** well please. at least here in america they can. unalienable rights, as in life liberty and the persute(sp) of happiness. says nothing about, if you have more money then give it to the poor. rich people are rich for a reason. they are smart, went to school, and WORKED HARD FOR WHAT THEY HAVE. you are talking about communism. everyone has an equal share. government pays for your medical, vision dental insurance. you give all your money to the government, you have no control or say in what they do. sounds like the leftiest argument. yeah, you would like communism, they support welfare.

*sigh* I never said we should give them what we have and divvy up everthing.. You see that for what ever reason you want, not my issue..

What I'm saying is we are all people on this planet and showing a little respect is NOT unreasonable, but with the "i deserve so you fuk off" attitude being prevalant in this country, it becomes clear that as a nation we don't have any respect for anyone (not even eachother) and treat other people like crap.. Then wonder why they hate us? Have to be pretty dense not to understand that..

As for 'rich people are rich for a reason', MOSTly it's from getting stuff handed down from their parents, most of which started while the country was being born and was divvyd up.. course, that also depends on your definition of rich.. I'm talking about the 2 or 3 % of our population that OWNS something like 80 - 90% of this country's resources (means of production, resources, land, etc etc.. so they get most of all money 'made' in this country). If you mean someone making a few hundred thousand dollars a year, yeah... I would tend to agree that they are more intelligent and better educated than the guy cleaning toilets..

 

[LuRp 10+ year member]

savant wrote: There is no point in continuing it since you don't seem to absorb what you read..

Wow, we agree on something. I feel the same way about you.

savant wrote:and that there are a lot of people 'in the world' that have to go without so you can have..

really, like what?

wait a minute here... ill help you out once AGAIN.

Summary: Top of the line Alpine car stereos, some costing up to $1,300 each, are made in China by young women who are paid 31 cents an hour and sit hunched over, staring into microscopes 9½ hours a day, six days a week, soldering the fine pieces of the stereo. Above the women is an electronic scoreboard which monitors their progress in meeting their production quota of 720 stereos a day.

Source http://www.nlcnet.org/report00/alpinedaesungdoc.htm

What kind of HU do you have again?

What kinda Savant are you? an Idiot Savant?

Check Mate

 

[Mac11 10+ year member]

I got this one Savant, take a break.

Originally posted by LuRp Wow, we agree on something. I feel the same way about you.

 

 

 

 

 

really, like what?

 

 

wait a minute here... ill help you out once AGAIN.

 



 

 

Source http://www.nlcnet.org/report00/alpinedaesungdoc.htm

 

What kind of HU do you have again?

 

 

What kinda Savant are you? an Idiot Savant?

 

 

Check Mate

are you really that dense that you think Alpine is the only brand that does that? Its unreasonable to believe that the manufacturer of your HU doesnt partake in the same practice if they dont even use the SAME MANUFACTURING facility. I hope your not so dilusional that you think your HU was made 'in the USA" by a highly skilled college graduate making well over minimum wage. if you do then.....wow.....savant i completly understand your frustration.

*edit* If companies produced in america they would have to charge close to 5 times as much as they do just to break even and be able to afford the american workers salaries. This all goes back to the 3-5% unemployment and welfare issue. Do you have that little a concept of economy?

 

[LuRp 10+ year member]

Mac11,

I suggest leaving it to the savant from now on. For the record though, I drive a Chevy with the stock HU, made by AC Delco, which is an American company. All that aside, I never said I wouldnt own an Alpine or any other brand. I was displaying savant's inane and hypocritical argument.

Why are you suggesting that Americans get paid too much? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif Should we all take a pay cut to validate your argument? Maybe you should run for town councilman.

LuRp

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Hey, if we don't buy the products, you think those people being paid 30 cents a day will have a job?

 

[BonusBobo 10+ year member]

Originally posted by snova031 Hey, if we don't buy the products, you think those people being paid 30 cents a day will have a job?

**** RIGHT. That says it all. And, also, isn't that like a shitload more than most people in China already make? LuRp, are you suggesting we just stay out of China's economy totally? I'm a little confused as to the purpose of bringing up the factory conditions.

 

[LuRp 10+ year member]

No not at all... I was shooting down Savant's argument.

Read his "we take away so we can have" post.

LuRp

 

[BonusBobo 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LuRp No not at all... I was shooting down Savant's argument.

 

 

 

 

 

Read his "we take away so we can have" post.

 

LuRp

couldn't find the post, but I'll take your word for it.

 

[Mac11 10+ year member]

I wasnt suggesting Americans make to much at all. I was simply saying that is how coprerations keep their costs down. cheap labor. Yor post was about the factory conditions. So i told you if you want them to be produced uner better conditions(i.e American standardized factories) the cost would take an insane upturn. And them makeing 30 cents an hour or a day or wahtever exactly it was is their own fault being that they make their labor so cheaply accessible. That also refuts your points about Americans 'only reason for being on welfare is because they are lazy' If we didnt have our 3-5% unemployment American factories would be just like those chineese factories because labor would be worth nothing because you always have people to fill the positions.. Something like that. The scarcity or job availability keeps the minimum price for labor up while the scarcity of labor force for those jobs keeps the minimum price down at the same time. Its all an equilibrium. If there was one of those factors without the other the whole economy as we know it would go to shit. i.e china

-mac

 

[Mac11 10+ year member]

and while we are on the factories in china......

do you think that is why it takes so **** long to get a HU repaired?

When they say "we have to send it to the facroty for repairs".....they actually mean the factory? They have to track down the woman that made it and beat her sensless becase of the defect? standard parcal post + repair time + return paral post and that works out about right for sening it back to the far east for repairs.....hmmmm

just a though

-mac

 

[LuRp 10+ year member]

Mac,

At no time did i ever post anything about welfare. Im not interested in that subject at the moment. You must be confusing me with some other post.

LuRp

 

[nswartley 5,000+ posts]

geeeez....so off topic