what do you guys think about war?

[97dakota 10+ year member]

clinton my friend was in office when they planned the attacks. now if he had been killing them instead of pleaseing the left wing extremesits trying to get reelected, 9-11 might not have happened.

 

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

Ever since the beginning of this 'great' country we have screwed over many people. Our foreign policy is a joke. Little brother is finally growing up and learning to fight back. Im not saying that we deserved the 9/11 attacks, I'm just saying that the United States has it coming if we keep thinking were just gonna go push people around and screw them over. Saddam is a horrible person, no doubt, but if its horrible people we want to go after, we might as well take on the world, and take on ourselves.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

the world isn't blowing us up. the radical muslims are hence the war in iraq. going to work. be on later. give me something to write on when I get home.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

one more thing. if this country sucks so bad, get the hell out. go somewhere better.

 

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by 97dakota the world isn't blowing us up. the radical muslims are hence the war in iraq. going to work. be on later. give me something to write on when I get home.

There are many many other places throughout the world that hate us, Iraq and the rest of the middle east just say it out loud. Why didn't we go into Pakistan after 9/11 when they were throwing parties because innocent people died? Why are we not worried about Saudi Arabia right now? Why are we pinpointing one place on a map? The truth is we're not...George Bush Sr. is. America made the middle east the way it is. Sure they have been fighting with eachother ever since the beginning of time, but they are now pointing a finger at us, and have been ever since the region was divided up after WW2. There is a reason for all of this, and its roots are not from a mere 12 years ago.

Originally posted by 97dakota one more thing. if this country sucks so bad, get the hell out. go somewhere better.

I didn't mean it like that. I love this country and there is no other place I would rather be...I'm just stating the facts, you can't deny that.

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 97dakota clinton my friend was in office when they planned the attacks. now if he had been killing them instead of pleaseing the left wing extremesits trying to get reelected, 9-11 might not have happened.

Terrorists have been scheeming for a hell of a lot more than just the past 3 or 4 years.. it's been something that's been brewing for decades.. and I seriously doubt the government can provide "real" proof that the 'enevitable' attack on the towers was planned 4 years ago came to fruition now and it just happened to be Bush in office by pure chance.. Hell, you yourself said our gov can do nasty things... like fabricate shaddy 'proof' to justify something to the average (and ignorant I might add) american..

And no-one is saying "hold hands and ignore attacks".. but getting fed up and storming out of a room is what 10 year old kids do when things get frustrating, regardless of what's on the line. It takes a MATURE and PATIENT person to deal with psychos for a prolonged period of time to preven them from attacking you in the first place.. I agree totally that if someone attacks us we 'have' to respond, or everyone and their brother will come flying at us.. But, that isn't the same as saying you refuse to talk anymore.. The old saying is "talk is cheap".. but it also hurts a lot less then getting kicked in the balls because you decide to stop talking and spit in someone's face..

Oh, and it's "moot" , not mute..

And as for 'Radical' people.. just because MOST americans have no sense of conviction about anything doesn't mean that's the way the rest of the world lives.. About the only conviction that runs deep in americans is greed.. . That's another reason most other cultures despise us..

one more thing. if this country sucks so bad, get the hell out. go somewhere better.

We aren't trying to say this places "sucks"... it's one of the best places to live as far as rights and freedoms go (course, Bush is trying to pull all that away with the Patriot Act).. We ARE saying that over the past few decades, we have become a people that ****... we waste wantonly while other people starve to death and would LOVE to get our scraps (granted, this is a totally different issue, but when people see us wasting so much they get mad). We **** resources out of the earth like we have no worries, and the people getting rich from it keep blocking research and advances on alternatives.. We are ******* the life out of the world pretty **** fast.. and we aren't even that 'many' by comparsion.. which also means we are taking from the mouths/feet/backs of others hand over fist.. and that pisses them off..

Would I like to live somewhere other than America? not really.. does that mean I think Americans have the inate right to be wasteful, slothful, ignorant, arrogant, disrespectful jackasses? no.. I think Americans **** as a rule.. But, since I'm not living in total misery because of it, I don't have a desire to nuke anyone.. Poverity is a STRONG motivator.. especially when you see "rich snobs" wasting what ever they feel like..

 

[Corsica 5,000+ posts]

I'd think american's **** if I lived in the middle east. Think about it...........all they see of us is "perfect" rich people. People who they don't know about how they work for all their shit.......ever. They seem to think its all handed to us and we don't appriciate it. They are pretty much right. Anyways lets just talk dis shit out cause we won't ever fully win. in war there never is a cut and dry winner.

J

 

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by Corsica in war there never is a cut and dry winner.

thats going in my sig.

 

[Corsica 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by Brock thats going in my sig.

Glad u dfound that important enough tio be there.........its just the truth man. If anyone cares to argue that statement please pm or im me and i will be glad to explain it to you.

J

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Talk about "wag the dog"... Apparently bin Laden released an 'audio' tape in Iraq telling people to ******* against americans and bring fighting into the cities (where civilians are).. and NOW we upgrade the terror threat saying "we belive there will be an attack this week"..

Now, no one can "verify" it was actaully bin Laden, and there are NO new images of him (is he dead? alive? who knows)..

What a load of crap..

And, if the hyper-conspiricy people are right and Bush et al took down the towers to start a war, there is no reason to think they wouldn't do something now to try and tip NATO to let us hit Iraq.. Course, if those guys are wrong and terrorist are totally responsible for the attacks, they might do something now..

LOL.. Now they are telling people exactly what to do if "you see someone put a bag down and walk away.. and they don't turn when you yell out, do NOT go near the bag, call the authorities".. Hmm.. I can see a bunch of FBI agents setting down bags of powdered sugar and getting cameras there for the getting of the bag then saying it was Antrhax or some crap..

This is all such a mess.. If only the US government wasn't sooooooooo currupt, people wouldn't suspect they could do such a thing.. Course, there are those nieve (sp) enough to think the gov could never do anything wrong.. *sigh*

 

[Corsica 5,000+ posts]

I donnno i say **** bombing.......think terrrorism where to attack if ur muslim terrorist?? FAST FOOD. think botu it. About 80% or more of People eat fast food, and McDonalds was brought into question for not saying fries were fried in beef oils.............Musilms were hella pissed, and bin Laden could remember this shit, and get us that way, and there are so many ****ing ways to taint food.

J

 

[LuRp 10+ year member]

Dakota, totally in agreement with you.

As far as other countries seeing us waste or being rich etc... TOUGH SHlT!

We have and still work hard for what we have. Im not going to apologize for that. They can go to hell.

Honestly i know im not going to convince any of you otherwise, but it all boils down to this - Kill or be killed.

Clinton totally disaasembled the CIA when he was president. Our intelligence was worthless.

As far as the other arguments go, such as "Why Iraq suddenly, why not the other countries". They will all get their chance to dodge smart bombs, but we are starting with the biggest threat at the moment. Now your gonna say "what about N. Korea?" I say, how many Islamist terrorists are comming out of N. Korea. Its supply and demand. Iraq has the supply, Al-Queda (and others) have the demand.

When you take away a carpenters tools, you hinder his ability to build a house. These evil countries are the tools. Take them away and the threat will be reduced ten fold. There will always be terrorists. There will always be extremists, thats not gonna change. But what can change is how easily it is for them to function/organize, and ill be ****ed if im gonna hand them my *** on a silver platter. I pray to god that we will not suffer losses, but if we dont do something who will? I sure hope you dont rely on the wishy washy europians. e.g. In 1981 Israel Bombed a nuclear plant in Iraq. The world condemed Israel for that mission, now they are praised for it. They didnt wait for world approval and neither will we.

LuRp

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

i agree obviously with you sir, but the fact remains that they won't change. we know what the U.S. is doing to save the world, god bless those that don't.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Jmac Exactly how many terrorists come out of Iraq ? Also, wasn't there a few white americans who plotted against the US ? Maybe the US should bomb the US, too !

 

what a childish argument. I never said I praised everything that the man has done. all i said is that he is fighting the fight that needs to be fought. that is all

 

[FAM4LIFE 10+ year member]

I am a member of the US Military. GO AIR FORCE!

If found, Saadam can not be eliminated by the pull of the trigger. Law of Armed Conflict prohibits assassinations.

My wife is also in the military and see is leaving for 6 months to go to Kuwait. She will miss our daughters 2nd birthday, our anniversary, mothers day, fathers day, and we won't be able to celebrate her 25th birthday.

For those who are so quick to say bomb them or lets go to war. Please remember the Airmen, Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines who protect this country have family also. We have a job to do and we will get the job done, but unless you plan to join the military and put your life on the line don't say lets go to war.

This is a very serious nature and the media doesn't know shit about what is really going on. You have no idea of the sacrifices that are being made and how many lives are at stake.