what do you guys think about war?

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by Mac11 They are already there. have pretty much confired that we are going to war. I cant even email them without addressing them as Private 2nd Class Trtan......or whtever the hell it is.

 

I grew up with this kid since we were 4 years old. Its crazy. Like i said....badasses....all of them. as much as it sucks that they are there and i would do anything for them to get back here we are in good hands.

Well depending on the way things go (the way I see it) one of three things will happen...

1) We will go to war with Iraq and kick their *** really quick and come back home, which is very doubtful.

2) We will go to war with Iraq and spark World War Three. (If you all think I'm joking do some research and lick my balls.) This is the perfect setting for things to pop off. We hate the midde east and they hate us. China is itching to get into things with anyone. Russia wants to be back into the 'world power' game. The Balkans are ALWAYS going through trouble, and at the same time wanting to get out of it. Venezuela (a major, founding, player in OPEC, is going through a civil war right now..who are their main allies? Cuba and guess who...? yeah thats right! ...and lets not even get started on Europe and the UN.)

3) The U.S. will finally realize that were getting in over our heads and back out (hopefully)

Hopefully our boys (and girls) will come home safely. I pray to God about it everyday.

 

[Mac11 10+ year member]

well seeing as i agree totally with you brock all i can say is we have to hope for #1 prepare for #2 and pray for #3.

and since its 4am i am going to bed so i can go to class in 4 hours. later man

 

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by Mac11 well seeing as i agree totally with you brock all i can say is we have to hope for #1 prepare for #2 and pray for #3.

 

and since its 4am i am going to bed so i can go to class in 4 hours. later man

I couldnt have said it better myself!

btw, do you have AOL IM?

 

[Mac11 10+ year member]

AIM: InHeat72

 

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

well I guess your going to bed like you said....

 

[Corsica 5,000+ posts]

Brock, #2 seems the most immenant. WW3 is going to happen within our life time, probobly soon, and definatly with the middle east. They hate us and we hate them, kick their ***** then rebuild everything we destroyed. Yes I know that was regugtationg (sp) what has already been said but its ****ed. All I know is my 2 best friends in the world are signed up for the Army, take basic after the school year is done, and are being told "you can't be shipped oput till after you graguate." He will be gone mid next year (if her even makes it that long) and that will really **** ***.........Personally I think without having the 3 NATO allies with us we will be ****ed in war. No, they won't fight against us, but they won't be major help to us either......In closing I believe Saddaam will just go Waco on Iraq.....Blow them all the **** up, give bin Laden all the extra shit he doesn't need to kill Iraq and the oil fields, and have Al-Queida **** the rest of the world (but the middle east) over.

J

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 97dakota how long do you truely think saddam will live if the united states military knows excatly were he is. come on man your smarter than that

K, there are a LOT of different things here.. and many could be commented on.. But, as a point of note (since this was presented many times.. and I TOTALLY agree that it 'should' be done).. The rules of WAR (how the fuk does that work??) say you can NOT kill a political leader. I don't even think you are allowed to suplant a leader.. All we can do according to the 'rules' is kill all of his soldiers that fire at us.. bomb buildings we 'think' are military support type buildings.. bomb anything that can directly support their war effort (factories, etc).. we can NOT assasinate anyone ... sucks, don't it?

As for the war in general.. Historically, Brock is totally right.. war is 'good' for the economy (normally).. but I doubt we will see much of a boost from this war since it doesn't really affect the public that much (we won't be converting any bubble gum factories to missle factories, and won't be creating 1000s of jobs for people to help do stuff for 'the war effort' like there was in the past).. We live in a different age now and I don't think war will stimulate the economy like it used to.. not even close..

As for oil.. that was pretty much the Gulf War.. Sure he was killing millions of Kuati's, but governments have been doing that for ages and the US doesn't normally get involved (not like we did in the Gulf War).. This time, I don't think oil is playing a factor.. And, as someone pointed out, almost ALL the profits from any oil that we 'might' get will go to VERY few people.. But, hey.. whatcha gonna do? that's how Republicans work.. help their rich buddies get richer at the expense of the average person.. (I don't think it's 1% pop has 99% resources.. I think it's closer to the top 2% have 90%.. but that is still just sick and wrong //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif )... Just like when Bush couldn't spend the something like $60 million Congress gave Texas for starting Insurance programs for the homless in time to get the programs set up, so he gave it to his oil tycoon buddies instead... That's the rumor at least.. There was a lot of money given to each state to set up these programs and Texas didn't get the programs started but the money went to someone..

Bush wants war.. Just like his daddy did.. He's trying to make his daddy happy and will do what ever he thinks he needs to to make that happen. From what I've seen, he's an idiot (someone said he was well educated but needed speaking lessons? na.. just because you graduate from a great school doesn't mean you are educated, it could WELL mean your family is rich and contributed something 'nice' to the school or maybe the Dean). People are mistaking his ignorance and arrogance for 'bravery'.. Anyone else think it's odd that very shortly after Bush took office and CUT OFF PEACE TALKS IN THE MIDDLE EAST that 9/11 happened?

I don't know.. This is all a mess now.. If we 'really' wanted to fix some of the issues over there, we -would- kill Sadam.. he's psycho and dangerous (but.. the rules say we can't).. We can find BinLadden too, but that would require effort (real effort, not just saying 'hey, send in 10000 troops and see what happens'). We could kill BinnyBoy too.. but that won't happen..

My brother has been a reservest for a long time.. He's just been deployed to Kuait.. I'm pretty sure shit-head is gonna send in the troops pretty soon..

Anyway.. Brock has made many good points.. and unfortunately he's pretty **** accurate about a lot of things.. this little 'spanking' Bush wants to put on Sadam to prove a point could well blow up in his face and things could get REAL nasty quick...

Oh, and like Corsica said (while I was writing this looong beast).. WW-III probably isn't too far off. The 'predictions' from the bible and even Nastradamus (sp) say the world will be bathed in fire starting from a struggle in the middle east *shrug* .. get out the marshmellows..

 

[CarAudioAddict 10+ year member]

Nastradamas..... Now your on a subject i now a little more about

I know that he predicted WWI, WW2, 9/11, WW3, and the end of the world (in that order)

Nastradamas, I should mention, Has been wrong in many of his predictions, but he has been right in most of them. In the past century he was right about WW1, Hitler (he had histler), WW2, 9/11, Saddam (he had Maddas).

WW3 WILL happen. WW3 will also be the last World War.

I don't mean to crap on your self image, but the US is far from the most popular country on the planet (with good reason, but thats another topic), IF the US goes to war - all of the enemies that they have built up over the past 50 years or so will still; be against the US. The Nukes will be fired and the end of the world will come.

Lets see, countries the US has gone to war with since WW2, In brackets is the outcome of each war from our viewpoint - N. Korea (won), Vietnam (lost), Iraq (stalemate), Kosovo (won), USSR (won - circumstantial)

These countries will be US enemies during the next war. I can name at least 3 that have nuclear power, and won't be afraid to use it.

P.S. Bin laden has been dead for over a year - he's not a problem anymore

 

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by CarAudioAddict Lets see, countries the US has gone to war with since WW2, In brackets is the outcome of each war from our viewpoint - N. Korea (won), Vietnam (lost), Iraq (stalemate), Kosovo (won), USSR (won - circumstantial)

I wouldnt exactly say that we won in Korea, I would just say that we pulled out before it got to hectic for us. In 2 years we lost almost as many troops as we did in our 10 year war with Vietnam, thats devistating.

These countries will be US enemies during the next war. I can name at least 3 that have nuclear power, and won't be afraid to use it.

3 that have nuclear power? More like most developed and even developing countries all across the globe. Im not by any means disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that there is a lot that gets left out when this debate comes up. Some countries that I can think of that have nuclear power would be US, UK, Germany (yes), Russia, China, Korea, Iraq, Italy, France, Australia, Japan (they probably have more shit than anyone), Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Israel, Yemen, Turkey, Egypt, Libya, etc..etc.. The sad part is that 99.9% of these countries are using our technology that they either BOUGHT from us or had it given to them when they were in the shitter.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

while I whole heartedly share your same feelings of not wanting to fight a war, I do feel that this is a war that must be fought. about the rules of war thing. I can completely understand where you are coming from saying yeah the rules say we can't do this and that but you can do this and that. and for the most part that is true. however, there is a reason that we have navy SEALS. there is a reason we have marine force recon there is a reason we have the CIA operatives in the feild there is a reason we have army rangers. and that is to do the dirty work for the united states. I have had a few conversations with some navy SEALs and while not being able to tell me specifics, they have said without saying that the U.S. does extremely dirty things to the scum of the earth people in foreign lands. I.E. if the U.S. military knows were saddam and his family are living, I highly doubt that the SEALs, recon or rangers won't accidentaly drop some C-4 and blow the shit out of them. there is a reason that if they get caught the U.S. denys all knowledge. you don't think that that is just in the movies do you.

as far as fighting this war for the right reasons. I think that while that might be on the back of bushs mind, powell, and the other thousand people in washington which are involved in this war effort would not allow bush to fight a war to win oil and to avenge his father. which don't know for sure but didn't his father accomplish what he was after, liberating kuwait. I don't know for sure.

sadam has made it very clear that he hates the U.S. and has and will continue to aid terroists. I don't understand how you guys can say, no do fight he will kill more of us. while attakcs might and probably will continue for some timewith or without the war, if we allow sadam to contine to produce chemical and biological and nuclear weapons, and continue to disperse them to the egerly awaiting terrorists, the united states is going to turn into the middle east. why would you not want to cripple one of the dirtest fighters in the world thats sole pourpose in life is to kill and bring terror to the world, excspeccially(sp) America.

as far as the 9/11. that had been in play for three or four years, and had appsolutely nothing to do with bush backin gout of any talks. democrats get pushed around and do very little to control the terroists and the saddams, while republicans get in and put there foot down and say hey, give us what we want and need to preserve the world as it is know or we will **** you up.

it has nothing to do as brock said about, who sold which weapons to who for what reason. the fact of the matter is they have chemical, biological, and soon to be nuclear weapons.

reminds me of regan, when libya, had U.S. civillians in custidy for being in libya. the past president did nothing so when Regan said gives them back or else. and they laughed. regan drop a single bomb on them. and we got the civillians back in one peice. he had balls. we need more men like regan.

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

[The sad part is that 99.9% of these countries are using our technology that they either BOUGHT from us or had it given to them when they were in the shitter. [/b]

that still has no bearing on why we should fight this war to preserve life.

 

[Corsica 5,000+ posts]

Can I ask one thing??? What will come out if we fight and what would come out if we just said right now "fukc it, NATO's not with us. Foget about the war, but ur still under watch"??????

J

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

so do what clinton did. you see how far that got us.

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 97dakota so do what clinton did. you see how far that got us.

"Pushed around" democrats.. Hmm.. but at least he had the pissed off terrorist types at a table and not flying planes into huge US buildings killing thousands of people in the single largest (non-war) attack on US soil EVER..

Yeah, that "do what I want or biteme" attitude got us far..

But, to probably a MORE pertinant point.. It really doesn't matter who is/was/will be president of the US.. MOST of the world hates the US (sure a lot of individuals from very poor countries want to come here, but that, population wise, is a SMALL amount of the world).. The US is one of the "smaller" countries as far as Population goes.. we only have something like 400 Million people? (last I recall it was 260(ish) million, but that was over a decade ago, and since the doubling rate in the US is something like 12 years? I'm sure we could be past 400 mill too). Out of what, 3 or 4 billion on the planet? Several countries have more than twice our pop (so at best we could be 1/5 the world pop, but we know that's not true).. The US uses OVER 50 % of ALL the worlds resources.. and is soooo tiny? That really pisses a LOT of people off.. then they see how stupid the average american is, and how wasteful.. and arrogant and ethnocentric.. makes them really mad... And I don't blame them, most americans DO ****.. Ignorant, lazy, wasteful, arrogant, petty, useless... no wonder so many people are willing to die to try and put us in our place on a global perspective..

But, you are right.. lets just keep telling nuke/bio-weap/sucidal despondant people to fugger off and do what we want.. they certianly won't do anything in retalliation..

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/banghead.gif.8606515f668c74f6de0281deb475b6fd.gif :banghead: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/banghead.gif.8606515f668c74f6de0281deb475b6fd.gif :banghead:

 

[97dakota 10+ year member]

my friend, you are missing the bigger picture here. if we continue to hold the hands of the radicals, and say, we know you have weapons of mass destruction and we know you hate us and we know that you are funded by rich millionaries that own the oil refinerys and we know you are in the middle east, but we are going to be nice to you and when you blow up are buildings we will launch a few missiles. and when you kill countless thousands of INNOCENT AMERICAN CITIZENS we will same please mr. terroiest, don't do it again.

your argument is mute saying that the terroists will attackus because we told them to fugger off. if I remeber correctly, when they started planning 9-11, CLINTON, A RADICAL HAND HOLDING MAN was the president.