"What? Maybe you aren't making your point clear, because I discussed the idea of even healthy people seeing/having an advantage to having health insurance. You had health insurance but never went to the doctor, so that means... what? It means if you could see the future you would have never gotten insurance for the time period. Can you see the future?"
My point is that the people who don't make a claim, pay for those who do, on top of the premiums the claimants make themselves. Insurance is a multi-billion dollar industry for a reason. Most people don't make major claims. My other point was that health insurance is a waste of money for some people age 20-35 because they NEVER see the doctor. When you get older, and your body starts wearing out, then its a good idea. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif See the future? No, hindsight is 20/20.
"I've been paying attention, but I find it hard to believe you've been in the industry that long if you believe that."
" Believe what? You aren't even saying what you disagree with that Ive said."
That automation isn't hurting the job market. It directly hurts someone when you take their job away! Just ask all the manufactures that hire 500 people to make it in the news, and fire 800 people the next year. Oh wait, you can't, unless you worked there. I didn't get fired, so I'm not bitter there. Just saw 1000s of other people lose their jobs and pissed.
" The point is automating industries makes their products cheaper, which increases people's ability to purchase their products. "
Who says everyone needs or wants cheap junk to fill their houses with? Pay once, cry once. Who cares about poor idiots?
"Humans inventing farming meant humans could 'specialize' instead of virtually everyone have to spend a large portion of every day providing themselves (and their family) with food."
Really? Do you really think that people spent ungodly amounts of time hunting and farming?? You freeze/preserve your food and save it for a rainy day. Its not like someone eats a 60lb buck in one sitting. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif This isn't something new, its been going on for 1000's of years.
"Automating manufacturing, such as in the automotive industry, made cars more accessible to the average person. Before Henry Ford, arguably the most famous automation pioneer in history, cars were only affordable to the rich and elite."
Why shouldn't it be this way today? Why should every idiot who has credit be allowed to go out and buy a $20,000 car? They shouldn't! This is the reason there is such a high amount of repos, high insurance prices, and lack of trust with auto dealers.
"Wow, you really missed my point. The base price of an Ariel Atom (3) is $50k, and is an open cockpit 2-seater race car. I never said hand built cars are inferior, I said they are more expensive to make. If you worked in an industrial field for 14 years, I find it hard to believe this concept is going right over your head like it appears to be."
The first VW's were virtually hand built. They sold for the equivalent of about $4000 today. Many sportscars of the 40's through 60's were virtually hand built and sold for less than $4,000 retail. Austin Healey, MG, Triumph, etc.
"As for your VW, guess what... they had automation in 1965. If your car had been hand built, rather than using the automation and assembly line technology they had in 1965, it would have been MUCH more expensive."
Yep, it would've cost about the same as it did in 1949 when it was first mass produced. $2000-2200.
" automated brazing machines that joined aluminum air conditioning parts. For people driving more modern cars than yours, chances are their car uses an aluminum 'peanut block' to tube assembly that was brazed with a machine I designed"
Well that's a great testament to "quality". Every GM and Honda car I've had to work on had some type of cooling system failure. Grated, it's not air conditioning, but it does show likelihood to fail of a machine brazed part.
Guess who repairs and gussets the braze? A human. Plenty of radiator and air conditioning repair places in the phone book. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Keep going. I can do this all day.
Everyone pays for insurance, claimants or otherwise. In fact, people with pre-existing conditions and/or older people tend to pay more. Why? Because they are a higher risk of becoming a claimant.
Unless you are a dishonest person who plans to defraud your insurance company, you have no idea if you will be a claimant or not.
20-35 year olds still get into car accidents, get cancer, break legs, get serious illnesses, etc. Are they at less risk for many of these problems then someone in the 50-70 age bracket? Obviously. But that's why not everyone pays the same health insurance premiums.
Health insurance is a multi-billion dollar industry because lots of people have health insurance. Insurance is a profit-making industry because insurance companies use statistics to their economical advantage.
"That automation isn't hurting the job market. It directly hurts someone when you take their job away! Just ask all the manufactures that hire 500 people to make it in the news, and fire 800 people the next year."
Again, wtf are you talking about? You dont seem to be very good at stating your points concisely and legibly.
My point is simple, yes automation in the short term takes away more jobs than it creates, but in the long term its beneficial to society due to lower costing products (and not just 'cheap junk' you say people fill their houses with).
"Who says everyone needs or wants cheap junk to fill their houses with? Pay once, cry once. Who cares about poor idiots?"
You continually correlate automation with poor product quality. This is a fallacy. I know of no simpler way of explaining this to you.
"Do you really think that people spent ungodly amounts of time hunting and farming?? You freeze/preserve your food and save it for a rainy day. Its not like someone eats a 60lb buck in one sitting. This isn't something new, its been going on for 1000's of years."
Uh, yes, I do. Its a well known fact that before humans developed farming, MUCH more of an individual's time was spent feeding themselves. In ancient history, some portions of a society had a full time job as a 'hunter/gatherer'. Before that invention, the invention of specializing within a societal group, each individual (or family) spent MUCH more of their time feeding themselves, on a daily basis, than we do today. These points are so obvious, Im frankly bewildered we are even needing to debate this.
"Why shouldn't it be this way today? Why should every idiot who has credit be allowed to go out and buy a $20,000 car? They shouldn't! This is the reason there is such a high amount of repos, high insurance prices, and lack of trust with auto dealers."
When did credit become the topic of our debate, rather than automation? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif You are having a very hard time following the topic.
"The first VW's were virtually hand built. They sold for the equivalent of about $4000 today. Many sportscars of the 40's through 60's were virtually hand built and sold for less than $4,000 retail. Austin Healey, MG, Triumph, etc."
And what do you think $4000 back in the 1940's would be worth/equivalent to today? I seem to be debating someone who doesn't even understand inflation.
"Yep, it would've cost about the same as it did in 1949 when it was first mass produced. $2000-2200."
*facepalm*
"Well that's a great testament to "quality". Every GM and Honda car I've had to work on had some type of cooling system failure. Grated, it's not air conditioning, but it does show likelihood to fail of a machine brazed part.
Guess who repairs and gussets the braze? A human. Plenty of radiator and air conditioning repair places in the phone book."
Uh, the parts Im talking about that our machines brazed, rarely fail. No, not just because they were made by a machine, but because they see very little stress or exposure. Call one of those AC or radiator repair places and ask them how often they have to rebraze a peanut block to tube joint. Most of those companies repair corroded radiators (radiator fins are VERY thing and fragile). And to be blunt, the number of AC repair shops in your phone book is irrelevant to our discussion. Parts fail and need repaired, hand-made or otherwise.
May I ask what role you played in your industrial career? If you say machine operator, assembly line worker, etc... then I can understand why your experience and your knowledge do not seem to correlate to one another.
"Keep going. I can do this all day."
Im sure retarded people can act like retards all day long too. Doesn't mean I'll ask their advice on the advancement of human society or the economy.
