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Message: <blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 7125903" data-attributes="member: 549629">"I pointed out how its paid for by both parties that don't end up making claims, compared to those who do."What? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif Maybe you aren't making your point clear, because I discussed the idea of even healthy people seeing/having an advantage to having health insurance. You had health insurance but never went to the doctor, so that means... what? It means if you could see the future you would have never gotten insurance for the time period. Can you see the future?"I've been paying attention, but I find it hard to believe you've been in the industry that long if you believe that."Believe what? You aren't even saying what you disagree with that Ive said."I fail to see how farming relates to this?  Farming is even being automated and workers are needed less and less.  The only boom is during harvest."The point is automating industries makes their products cheaper, which increases people's ability to purchase their products. Humans inventing farming meant humans could 'specialize' instead of virtually everyone have to spend a large portion of every day providing themselves (and their family) with food. Automating manufacturing, such as in the automotive industry, made cars more accessible to the average person. Before Henry Ford, arguably the most famous automation pioneer in history, cars were only affordable to the rich and elite."Oh, and the car I drive was built in 1965.  It sold for ~$1900 new and has zero electronics.  I don't even have a stereo in it atm. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif  Automation only helped VW become one of the biggest car manufactures.  Not the best.   Look at the high amount of recalls on VW, Chevy, Toyota, etc.  Did we have those important recalls even 20 years ago? No. The best cars are still hand made.  Look into the Ariel Atom, manufactured in Oregon."Wow, you really missed my point. The base price of an Ariel Atom (3) is $50k, and is an open cockpit 2-seater race car. I never said hand built cars are inferior, I said they are more expensive to make. If you worked in an industrial field for 14 years, I find it hard to believe this concept is going right over your head like it appears to be.As for your VW, guess what... they had automation in 1965. If your car had been hand built, rather than using the automation and assembly line technology they had in 1965, it would have been MUCH more expensive.Lastly, yes there definitely is an argument that automation can improve quality. Most of my industrial career was spent designing automated machinery for the auto market. Specifically, automated brazing machines that joined aluminum air conditioning parts. For people driving more modern cars than yours, chances are their car uses an aluminum 'peanut block' to tube assembly that was brazed with a machine I designed, or someone else from one of the companies I worked for designed. The point Im making is, companies like Ford, GM, Toyota, etc didnt come to us to build them machinery just to decrease their manufacturing costs, they also saw automation as a way to ensure the same braze joint, time after time after time. Previously when this operation was done by hand, a MUCH more extensive quality control system was required to ensure John was brazing parts together the same as Steve and Mike etc. This is not to suggest mass produced cars like Cavaliers are a superior product to custom and/or more hand built cars like Ferraris (and yes, the Ariel Atom)... you are comparing apples to oranges. It simply suggests that automation allows us to purchase higher quality vehicles than we otherwise could if all cars were hand made. Again, if you truly worked in an industrial setting for that long, Im shocked I have to explain this to you.</blockquote>

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