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^Now THERE is an intelligent response...first one I have seen in this here thread all day. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/clap.gif.178cba2c538c68e720c727fcb024b19c.gif

 
Many European countries tax their richest 50%-60%. Here I believe it is about 40%, but you also have all of the sports players claiming residency in Florida to have no income tax.
I did not know about Florida having no income tax. However, the "rich" don't pay taxes in America. I won't get into details, but several corporations actually receive a 5% tax Credit. The credit is for being a "major employer". Their idea is that putting money back into corporations somehow allows them to hire more people. It doesn't. It allows them to expand business and in-turn reduce overall costs. If you have a machine that can do the job of 20 employees, you just saved several thousand per year. This is why most manufacturing jobs have decreased by at least 40% in the last 10 years. I've worked in the IT departments for many different manufactures and have seen it across the board. Intel is one of them, yet they claim they are hiring more employees.

 
I did not know about Florida having no income tax. However, the "rich" don't pay taxes in America. I won't get into details, but several corporations actually receive a 5% tax Credit. The credit is for being a "major employer". Their idea is that putting money back into corporations somehow allows them to hire more people. It doesn't. It allows them to expand business and in-turn reduce overall costs. If you have a machine that can do the job of 20 employees, you just saved several thousand per year. This is why most manufacturing jobs have decreased by at least 40% in the last 10 years. I've worked in the IT departments for many different manufactures and have seen it across the board. Intel is one of them, yet they claim they are hiring more employees.
You sir are the dumbest dumbfuck I have encountered on this here fucktard of a fucksite. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/boink.gif.91933e72f927f2cefc79aff02573090c.gif

 
No, it is a fact. It is a pure, hard, simple fact. Like taking medicine when you're sick. You don't like to do it, but you do it because you know it's good for you.
I love this, such a typical reply from you. Its truly amazing how confident you are of your opinions.

Everyone who has health insurance pays for the people who don't because when an uninsured person goes to the emergency room, they are guaranteed care. But that care costs money, and often an enormous amount of money (and if you don't have health insurance, I'm sure you don't have that money laying around) and it gets unpaid. But the hospitals need to recoup that money somehow, so they charge everyone else even more, and thus, insurance premiums go up. If everyone is required to have health care, this doesn't happen.
Wow, what amazing insight! lol You're a real deep thinker. I never thought about how all us insurance carrying people have to pay for all those non-insured people! Just like I never thought about how so many of them are illegal immigrants who basically get free health care on our dime. But of course liberals only want to use the 'us insured people pay for non insured people' when it comes to talking about socialized medicine, not when it comes time to talk about reforming our immigration policies. Its also ironic Ive mentioned the Howard interview on TDS like 50 thousand times to you, but you refuse to discuss it, even though Mr. Howard discussed the topic of inflated health care costs thanks to our govt's hack 'n slash policies on health care oversight. Nope, liberals only want to talk about being fair to tax payers with health care when it comes to defending their ideology.

This isn't an opinion, this is fact.
Yes, I know. In your world, everything you say and think is 'fact'. You dont need to repeat yourself for me to recognize your arrogance.

 
So what is the right way to fix our healthcare system?
That's a very deep topic, isn't it? Frankly, I dont have all the answers. But one thing I know for sure is, legislation that is so complex, lengthy, and convoluted that even the law makers dont understand it before voting yay or nay, is not the answer. We need a program that is as simple, concise, and sensible as possible. Im not even close to feeling that way about the current bill. And neither are the majority of Americans, including liberals.

How about this. Why dont YOU tell US what you agree with in the bill, besides your generic, elementary, 'everyone should have health insurance because its more fair' comments. If you want to discuss socialized medicine as a general topic, your comments are valid. But if you want to discuss the current bill specifically, your comments/opinions/'facts' are just far too simplified to apply to the discussion.

 
You sir are the dumbest dumbfuck I have encountered on this here fucktard of a fucksite. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/boink.gif.91933e72f927f2cefc79aff02573090c.gif
Score!

 
That's what I was saying. The healthy people end up paying for the sick people...
That's how insurance works. If we only expect the sick people to pay, that';s not insurance, that's direct-pay. Your argument seems to be against insurance of any sort, not just health insurance. The same could applied to car insurance... all the safe drivers pay for all the careless ones.

The idea of health insurance is that a small percentage of the population will rack up large medical bills, that under normal circumstances would bankrupt them and/or put them in debt for the rest of their lives. If that cost is spread throughout the entire population, each sick person now can 'afford' to be sick. As for the healthy people, well if we could see the future and knew we wouldn't ever be one of those sick people, I could see that upsetting a lot of people. But people cant see the future, so the idea of health insurance ends up looking/being beneficial to everyone (assuming its implemented fairly and correctly).

 
That's a very deep topic, isn't it? Frankly, I dont have all the answers. But one thing I know for sure is, legislation that is so complex, lengthy, and convoluted that even the law makers dont understand it before voting yay or nay, is not the answer. We need a program that is as simple, concise, and sensible as possible. Im not even close to feeling that way about the current bill. And neither are the majority of Americans, including liberals.
How about this. Why dont YOU tell US what you agree with in the bill, besides your generic, elementary, 'everyone should have health insurance because its more fair' comments. If you want to discuss socialized medicine as a general topic, your comments are valid. But if you want to discuss the current bill specifically, your comments/opinions/'facts' are just far too simplified to apply to the discussion.
If you want a simple answer, then you have socialized healthcare. That is simple. I'll respond more thoroughly in a few days when I have more time.

 
That's how insurance works. If we only expect the sick people to pay, that';s not insurance, that's direct-pay. Your argument seems to be against insurance of any sort, not just health insurance. The same could applied to car insurance... all the safe drivers pay for all the careless ones.
Hey, we said the same thing. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

From my mouth to your ears. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 
I did not know about Florida having no income tax. However, the "rich" don't pay taxes in America. I won't get into details, but several corporations actually receive a 5% tax Credit. The credit is for being a "major employer". Their idea is that putting money back into corporations somehow allows them to hire more people. It doesn't. It allows them to expand business and in-turn reduce overall costs. If you have a machine that can do the job of 20 employees, you just saved several thousand per year. This is why most manufacturing jobs have decreased by at least 40% in the last 10 years. I've worked in the IT departments for many different manufactures and have seen it across the board. Intel is one of them, yet they claim they are hiring more employees.
I designed/built automated machinery at various companies for almost 2 decades. Automation is not the major factor in our unemployment rate. Sure it affects it somewhat, but there is a plus side to automation... cheaper products. Automation, for the most part, removes relatively low paid, low skilled, repetitive jobs. This would be a god thing if we had an economy that was healthy and requiring higher skilled, educated employees. But we dont have that healthy economy. Automation has been 'taking jobs' since the industrial revolution. Why is it just now becoming a negative impact on society?

 
Hey, we said the same thing. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
From my mouth to your ears. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif
Whatever keeps your ego afloat bud.

 
Egads everything here from auto insurance being like health care to calling a status quo tax rate a cut when its really about a status quo tax increase to a HC bill that raises the costs openly....I don't know what is worse the attempted redefining of words and policy or the repeating of things that do not make sense.

1. Are we forced to drive or can we ride a scooter or take a taxi or public transportation?

2. How is a ten year status quo tax rate a tax cut?

3. Since when are taxes the economy? I thought actual manufacturing was.

4. How do regulations that force costs up make things cheaper?

5.If you can't afford to shop at Big Lots how can you afford Macy's?

 
Egads everything here from auto insurance being like health care to calling a status quo tax rate a cut when its really about a status quo tax increase to a HC bill that raises the costs openly....I don't know what is worse the attempted redefining of words and policy or the repeating of things that do not make sense.
1. Are we forced to drive or can we ride a scooter or take a taxi or public transportation?

2. How is a ten year status quo tax rate a tax cut?

3. Since when are taxes the economy? I thought actual manufacturing was.

4. How do regulations that force costs up make things cheaper?

5.If you can't afford to shop at Big Lots how can you afford Macy's?
I agree with everything except one. Our society, physically and logistically, relies on individual transportation. Not everyone can take the bus to work. And many who can, cant afford the extra hour or three it costs them in 'down time' with family/personal life. I certainly couldnt drive my scooter to work this time of year. Taxis? That would simply be a pay decrease, if that's our daily transport to work. And people who live in rural areas, work in rural areas, or work odd/non-uniform hours cant count on the bus to get them to work 24/7/365. Our entire infrastructure is based around individual transport. I agree its not a perfect parallel to health insurance, but its not so far off as you suggest. But like I said, I agree with every other point you make.

 
Proxy I'm glad you like the idea of paying out of your pocket for healthcare for illegals and all the other fucks that don't have insurance. I'd rather keep as much as I can thou.....

 
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