Two DD 3512 or two sound qubed HDC-412 there the same price

Excuse me?
Most amps that you can strap together do their power at 2 ohms.

So in his case, if he used two of the 2200s, he would see the 4400 watts at 2 ohms not .5

So he could either wire one sub to each amp at 1 ohm, or strap both amps together and wire the subs to 2 ohms.

One amp would be the master, the other would be the slave

 
Most amps that you can strap together do their power at 2 ohms.
So in his case, if he used two of the 2200s, he would see the 4400 watts at 2 ohms not .5

So he could either wire one sub to each amp at 1 ohm, or strap both amps together and wire the subs to 2 ohms.
That was my point. But if he had already bought subs with VC configurations for a 1 ohm load for his single 2200, he would have to buy new subs to get the 2 ohm final load for using the second amp unless he was going to run 2 amps strapped at 1 ohm daily causing each amp to see a load of 0.5 ohms.. Which I wouldn't recommend

 
That was my point. But if he had already bought subs with VC configurations for a 1 ohm load for his single 2200, he would have to buy new subs to get the 2 ohm final load for using the second amp unless he was going to run 2 amps strapped at 1 ohm daily causing each amp to see a load of 0.5 ohms.. Which I wouldn't recommend
He should run one HDC 4 now on one amp and buy another HDC4 later on with another amp. That would be the most cost effective route while still having great output. I doubt the two DDs would be much louder than the one HDC4 on the same power.

Or just buy two HDC4s and run 2 ohms to the AQ until he gets another amp. NO point in buying the DD's just to have to buy new subs later on.

 
He should run one HDC 4 now on one amp and buy another HDC4 later on with another amp. That would be the most cost effective route while still having great output. I doubt the two DDs would be much louder than the one HDC4 on the same power.
Or just buy two HDC4s and run 2 ohms to the AQ until he gets another amp. NO point in buying the DD's just to have to buy new subs later on.
Personally I'd scrap both of those subs he mentioned and spring for a Tantric HD, Sundown Z, Incriminator Death Penalty, or similar. Maybe even a set of HDDs, NS, or Wardens. If he's dead set on getting another amp, go for a 2 ohm load now. But if he isn't sure yet, he might as well buy something used right now for a 1 ohm load and trade it in once/if he gets another amp. I think his best bet, though, would be to shoot for a 1 ohm load now and upgrade to a larger single amp later on

I'm just not very impressed with the soft parts on te AQ/SQ subs. I've heard quite a few people who build/recone subs comment on this as well. Notice the large amount of HDCs you see with recones.

 
Personally I'd scrap both of those subs he mentioned and spring for a Tantric HD, Sundown Z, Incriminator Death Penalty, or similar. Maybe even a set of HDDs, NS, or Wardens. If he's dead set on getting another amp, go for a 2 ohm load now. But if he isn't sure yet, he might as well buy something used right now for a 1 ohm load and trade it in once/if he gets another amp. I think his best bet, though, would be to shoot for a 1 ohm load now and upgrade to a larger single amp later on
I'd def go with some HDDs over either one of these for sure.

 
I'd def go with some HDDs over either one of these for sure.
That would be my personal choice as well. If my budget allowed I'd have a pair in my car right now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
For now, get the AQs/SQs. But only if you plan to double the power, because a "smaller" or less powerful essentially type of woofer would get "louder" on only 1.1lW each. So, to combat this, plan to build two enclosures. One on the larger side for the one amplifier set-up for now, to help with the lower power making things more efficient essentially increasing how "loud" they'll be but they might grow peaky the larger you go; then when you get the other amplifier and have 2.2kW on each woofer build another enclosure which could be smaller in size.

2.2kW on each HDC4 will be great in the future, IMO 2.2kW on each 3512 is getting towards the higher side of power handling (though they surely can take more if you know what you are doing, BUT, they start losing efficiency per se while the HDC4s will excel on the power and more //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif, without getting near or out of the efficiency area). Honestly though, a 2.2kW amplifier on each AQ/SQ HDC3 (C-copper) will be a great choice all around for now on only 1.1kW on each driver, and 2.2kW in the future. HDC4s can take, and need lots 'o powah, if you might be putting say 2.5kW and more on each driver eventually, an investment in the HDC4s would be a great idea for drivers you won't have to worry about getting stinky :p with lots of headroom for power, so you'll be in the power area to where they'll be efficient but could take much more; ie they'll get loud, but could get louder with more power, so you'll get them moving and making tons of sound, but then you will have headroom and lesser chance of blowing them. But you know, set everything properly, if you start smelling coils, turn 'er down et cetera. If you have, or know of an oscilloscope, then fantastic.

But, are those your ONLY choices you want now? Because we could all recommend plenty of other drivers and whatnot for less, that'll kick just as much arse and the drivers you have chosen so far. But yeah, I recommend a different pair or single amplifier if doing the HDC4s eventually (not that they will not "move" on only 1.1kW a piece, and they'll do awesome on 2.2kW a piece, but in the end, I think you might be better off as a whole with the HDC3s for now and later. But still plan on two enclosures, not that it'd be as necessary as going from 1.1kW per HDC4 to 2.2kW to each. Really, you could probably get away with just the proper enclosure for the HDC3s for both the amounts of power you plan to run.

Oh, also, are you dead-set on running a pair of 12" drivers? Doing a killer (killer on 2.2kW that is) single 15" driver would get you right near where the pair of 12" drivers will, and you won't need the power increase all too much. Or say, if you can fit 5-7 cubes net, a single 18" driver on the single AQ/SQ 2200 amplifier will be pretty nuts inside an XB. Then you won't need more battery/alternator, nor another amplifier.

Seeing as how with a proper design and testing, I bet you could get close to 150dB with a tad over 2kW and a decent amount of cone area. I say this because my pair of 12" woofers on 2kW for the pair in my trunk does over a 150dB on the windshield, as well as a single 15" (as close as I could make it) into an almost direct drop in build, is only .4dB less. I am about to quickly throw together a quick and easy single 18" enclosure for the trunk and run the same power, we'll see what happens there on the same power and increase in cone area.

Like how I could build you a nasty driver that'll perform incredibly on that power, as well as tons of others on here could throw together a woofer for you depending on what exactly your goals are. And remember, 2.2kW is a lot of power if done correctly, plenty of us can do over 150dB with ease on or near 2kW.

 
Funny how the DDs take so much power. I can say my 9500s are taking more power WAY better then my old XL m2s took. Lighter more efficient coil taking more power? Must be magic. The 3500 CAN TAKE 2500 daily.
It can, but I wouldn't want to push it that far myself. I think a beefier driver would be more suited for that much power... Just not the HDC4 in my opinion

 
It can, but I wouldn't want to push it that far myself. I think a beefier driver would be more suited for that much power... Just not the HDC4 in my opinion
That's not pushing it. Those subs are made with the best soft parts available. There is a reason they fetch such a price tag, even used. Yes I am a DD nutthugger. They have treated me better then Sundown Zs, DC level 4s and XLs, FI BLs, better customer service then Incriminator. These subs really are monsters. I have no doubt mine will run flawlessly on 3500 daily. Ill let you know when I confirm that but it's done all the time already with standard and stiff suspensions. Don't look at MSRP. Every company has high prices but look what they really sell for.

 
That's not pushing it. Those subs are made with the best soft parts available. There is a reason they fetch such a price tag, even used. Yes I am a DD nutthugger. They have treated me better then Sundown Zs, DC level 4s and XLs, FI BLs, better customer service then Incriminator. These subs really are monsters. I have no doubt mine will run flawlessly on 3500 daily. Ill let you know when I confirm that but it's done all the time already with standard and stiff suspensions. Don't look at MSRP. Every company has high prices but look what they really sell for.
Overpowering subs that way is a good way to cause premature death to the softparts

 
Overpowering subs that way is a good way to cause premature death to the softparts
That's not even close to overpowering them. If you think sundown underrates stuff you have no idea. I don't agree with it but it helps keep the noobs from smoking them. If you haven't noticed you don't see many blown DDs unless they are real early motors.

 
After a better look and reading more I decided to go with two hdc312 copper wire on a q2200 since the subs r a reasonable price and I'm new to this 30hz and 40hz stuff this will be my first custom box I try and make any recommendations on a build or should I make a new post for the box I listen to rap/hip hop and Spanish music I'm not looking for xtreme sound just deep hard hits for daily abuse 3 to 4 hrs all week. I have new clue on making a box dumb it down a bit

 
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