Twisting Wires

[Supergumby5000 5,000+ posts]

They have a international standard electrical code FOR A REASON. Nautons Law man, For every action thier is a equal and OPOSITE reaction. Twisting wires = Action / Reaction = stress on wires = Wire fraying and breaking over a period of time.

1) NEWTON's laws

2)their

3)opposite

4) i guess they better sell wire in straight lines then, no more wrapping it up on a spool

5) you're an idiot

 

[BassMechanix 10+ year member]

yeah they wrap it on a spool with robotic automation moron, WRAP not TWIST

 

[blackdragonaudi 10+ year member]

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[timaishu 10+ year member]

I dont see why it would matter. As long as your not using alot of force.

 

[LaserRed38 10+ year member]

1) NEWTON's laws
2)there and [an]

3)opposite

4) i guess they better sell wire in straight lines then, no more wrapping it up on a spool

5) you're an idiot

Fixed! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[LaserRed38 10+ year member]

I swear I only posted ONCE! Dammit..

 

[KyleBechtold 5,000+ posts]

the fact is over time EVERYTHING will break.. its just that twisting the wires lightly will not increase that time significantly.. still won't break in the cars lifetime unless you over do it or cheap out on wires.. or just bad luck

 

[jonny101abc 10+ year member]

only time i've seen twisted wires is in aviation. i work on small G.A planes, so i see it alot. You twist the wires to reduce the magnetic field around the wires, epically if their next to the instruments.

in a car, its not much of a big deal

John

PS: BassMechanix, you're a noob

 

[IDSkoT 5,000+ posts]

DO NOT TWIST.... Its like twisting hair dude, sooner or later all the little wires that make up the one wire will start to break. thats how connection go bad and you loose information, power ext.

They have a international standard electrical code FOR A REASON. Nautons Law man, For every action thier is a equal and OPOSITE reaction. Twisting wires = Action / Reaction = stress on wires = Wire fraying and breaking over a period of time.

Well, I sit back some nights, reading this forum. But, before I get on, I say to myself, "People aren't dumb. People aren't dumb. They're smart. Maybe uneducated... but they have the capacity to learn."

Then I go on... and I get proven wrong.

Let me break this up... well, try:

Unless you have an incredible drill that has an enormous amount of torque... nothing will happen. The rubber jacket will not break down any quicker than if they were running side by side. It's called physics. And twisting does not defy it.

The man's name is Newton, by the way. The action of twisting the wires will make them twisted. There's the action, there's the reaction.

The stress of twisting a wire lightly with a drill is the same stress as, I dunno... pulling on it? OH, WAIT! NO! THAT'S GUNNA DEGRADE THE JACKET AND EVERYTHING WILL GET DESTROYEDANDYOUCANDIVIDEBYZEROANDNEWTONWASMYMASTERANDILOVEANALOMFG!!!!

No. Twisting it with your average house hold drill will not put enough added stress on the jacket to make it degrade any faster. Perhaps the added stress will make it degrade a little faster. But the odds of a car lasting long enough for the wires internally to degrade is slim to none.

With that said:

The only way for a wire to "loose" (I'm pretty sure you meant 'lose') information is for a weak connection. This can be either because of not a sufficient amount of power is going through the wire, or there is a break in the wire. Now, unless twisting wire can SOMEHOW cause the wire to tear internally (which, is actually possible, but HIGHLY unlikely with the amount of torque with a cordless drill. Even still, the jacket would have to be incredibly flexible, so much so that it can conceal this tear. But, even if it does tear internally and the jacket is not ripped, odds are the connection will be remade due to the pressure on the wire and the elasticity of the jacket.), it will not do this. In fact, in most applications, the wire will only need one or two strands connected at any point to send a sufficient amount of data seeing how it's in the form of "on" or "off." (Ground or not, etc.)

Recap: Twisting Wires is only bad if you use a lot of torque.

Regular House Hold Drills do not have a lot of torque

BassFegg is an idiot.

 

[IDSkoT 5,000+ posts]

only time i've seen twisted wires is in aviation. i work on small G.A planes, so i see it alot. You twist the wires to reduce the magnetic field around the wires, epically if their next to the instruments.
in a car, its not much of a big deal

John

PS: BassMechanix, you're a noob

Well, like someone said earlier... it's used to just make things look nicer / easier. Much easier / more aesthetically pleasing to run one bunch of wires rather than 2 separate ones.

 

[pjhabit 10+ year member]

Well, I sit back some nights, reading this forum. But, before I get on, I say to myself, "People aren't dumb. People aren't dumb. They're smart. Maybe uneducated... but they have the capacity to learn."Then I go on... and I get proven wrong.

I sit back some nights, reading this forum, and I got to say. Of all the personalities portrayed through the many posts. Your elitest, know-it-all attitude is easily the most unbecoming drivel I have the pleasure of reading.

The action of twisting the wires will make them twisted. There's the action, there's the reaction.

lmfao

For an extream test of your convoluted thinking, try this experiment.

1)Go to your swing set in your back yard

2)Grab a swing & twist it up tight

3)With your face near the seat, release the swing & observe the reaction

As far as the twisted vs. nontwisted debate goes. If the wires aren't excessively stressed, I see no harm in it. My RCA's are of twisted pair design.

 

[adaycj]

They have a international standard electrical code FOR A REASON. Nautons Law man, For every action thier is a equal and OPOSITE reaction. Twisting wires = Action / Reaction = stress on wires = Wire fraying and breaking over a period of time.

Can you please provide a link, quote, or paraphrase from the "international standard electrical code" that you mention and explain how it relates to aftermarket alarm installs in automotive applications? Or can you correlate it to twisting wires in general?

Are you referring loosely to the International Building Code released by the International Code Council?

These types of machines are used for low batch production runs of twisted wire (typically twisted pair). http://www.themellocompany.com/docs/mht_minitwist.html

They do not use a robot, and they do not fold over the wire. They use motors to spin the wire in a fashion much like an electric drill.

 

[jco1385 5,000+ posts]

when i was in teh army, we were required to TWIST SAFETY WIRE. i know it's not for electrical purposes, but the wire does in fact get twisted. and this is to hold bolts ,nut ,etc together on an aircraft. thinking about it, most of the wires were twisted for the avionics and flight controls. so if that shit fails, you fall out the air. so IMO it's not gonna make THAT much difference.

don't they sell twisted RCA's and speaker wire?

edit: where the hell is McIntosh? he'll straighten this out. lawlz

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

I'm still getting over the justification for an electrical code from "Nauton's" Law...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[jco1385 5,000+ posts]

I'm still getting over the justification for an electrical code from "Nauton's" Law...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Nauton's Law

^^still under construction. they must still be writing them //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif