The Official Type R Thread

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

ishboo, if u were to see rl-p go against Rs in a comp, honestly the rl-p wouldnt have much power on it for 1 and it would get walked on, seriously, the sub doesnt compare in output and spl, R is a way betta street bangin woofer flatout. for more of a conservative application, the rl-p maybe considered.

RL-P is not an SPL sub...

 

[SBLAZER]

who said it was, neither is the Type r or the type S. but they are loud though.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

who said it was, neither is the Type r or the type S. but they are loud though.

They are not SPL subs either, I dont disagree.

But the S and R are more of an SQL "streat beater" sub where the RL-P is an SQ sub with some grunt.

I am not biast remember, I am riding the fence on this one. I still however do not feel that this test is valid in any way other then in speakemans vehicle with the same power, box, and car. To further that point, each car isnt made exactly the same, someone else with a blazer could have different results.

 

[SBLAZER]

i have an blazer, we could do a test in my truck, i doubt the results will be diff, he also has an monte, we could do a test in that, once again i doubt the results will be diff. rl-p does sound smooth 2 a point, but once u start uppin the volume u loose most of that. also if u play this sub for long periods of time and u smell coil, do not , i repeat, do not touch the cone. that thing will burn ya.

 

[VoTran24 10+ year member]

thanks for taking your time to do the comparison.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

i have an blazer, we could do a test in my truck, i doubt the results will be diff, he also has an monte, we could do a test in that, once again i doubt the results will be diff. rl-p does sound smooth 2 a point, but once u start uppin the volume u loose most of that. also if u play this sub for long periods of time and u smell coil, do not , i repeat, do not touch the cone. that thing will burn ya.

That would be fine with me. Like I said, I am not biast. If you were to put them in your vehicle I would be willing to bet you dont get the Exact score he did, which was my point in the earlier post.

He has a monte, that would be cool to ad in the mix. Dont forget about recomended boxes and variations of boxes and power.

I have heard from others that the Rl-P's coe gets hella hot, that can be kinda good, atleast you know that the heat is escaping though the aluminum cone. As far as smelling the coil, what do you expec sending 1.2kw+ to a sub rated half that.

Someone send me the subs, I will do some tests, again I am not biast. I have a TL and RTA so this could be fun for me. Also I have access to a reg cab silverado, grand prix, several mini-vans, and an xterra. I fell that I could/would write up an excellent review, that wouldnt have to be a VS. thread.

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Want a diff score? How about a wall, and 8 VFL 150.1's on 16v? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

Want a diff score? How about a wall, and 8 VFL 150.1's on 16v? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Yummy

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Yummy

toasty is more like it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

toasty is more like it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Me likes burnt coil in the morning //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Spkrman]

thanks for taking your time to do the comparison.

your welcome //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[SBLAZER]

well we got an 16v setup, we got that much power avaliable, and can build a wall, that would be interesting 2 see, dont think the rl-p would handle it nor the type r. lol u neva kno though, 1 R did take 4kw though for a burp, so that was awesome 2 see. plus he doesnt wanna end up buyin the rl-p so he doesnt wanna send that much power 2 it. even though i would //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[mrray13 10+ year member]

What more do you want out of the test? Would you like me to test box after box after box until the RL-P sounds better? So far same size box, 2 different tunings. Not done yet...
I do believe it will sound much better in my 2 cube 30hz box... it should at least, going from experience with woofs like this. But on that same note, the type R sounds alot better in the smaller lower tuned box, too.

You all believe the tests are biased towards the type R's... why? You assume the R (and the S in this test) are in the BEST enclosures, while the former "bandwagon" woofer is in its worst. Maybe the type R is in its worst SQ box too?

Take every test for whats its worth... but this is the only test that I have seen so far of the RL-P that didn't show any bias. I listened and told you what I heard, nothing more nothing less.

well, i agree somewhat..i did my testing in three different boxes(one sealed, two ported), two different tunings, three different power levels and two different vehicles. why? mostly because the re bandwagon was crying foul. in the end, as i've stated, the rl-p help it's own in output (but didn't win) and IMO was teh better sounding woofer hands down.

as to the bias, ur wrong. whether u want to admit it or not, u are indeed biased towards the type r, and in ur case, for good cause. ur an spl competitor and the type r has proven loudest for u. as to what u heard, jsut like in my h2h, we have to take it with a grain of salt because sq is subjective. i will say again, my rl-p has only come close to sounding the way u describe once...in 2.5ft^3 tuned to 28hz....in all other applications, it is one the lowest, crispest and cleanest sounding subs, with the ability to get loud, that i've heard. and whether or not u'll agree, 140+ is loud for daily.

As far as power handling... the RL-P bottomed out at the same volume as the type S, while being a hell of alot quieter. I don't expect more out of the RL-P SPL wise. And btw... we know the woofers are *not* seeing 1700 watts here. They are most likely in the 800-1100 watt range, depending on impedence rise. Again, take it for whats it's worth... but wired to .5, imp rise to 1.3, the amp put out 1800 watts @ 12 volts. Imp rise should be 4-5 ohms in this situation, do the math on that one.

4 ohms, orion 2500d..1200wrms at 14 volts(rated), give or take....and again, that's the most i'd ever recommend to put on the rl-p. we also know, wired to .5 nominal, it's going to see one ohm bursts and such....but even at 1.3, like u've already stated, ur at 1800....so, u've proven what's already known, the rl-p isn't a power monster. but to do what it is designed to do, it doesn't need 1800 or even 1200 wrms...and again, i'm not doubting the output numbers. i have no reason too. the rl-p is an sql woofer with a bias towards sq...teh type r's are an sql woofer with a bias towards output...like someone mentioned above, it's a street beater. it should get louder.

If you disagree with the way things were done, tell me now and I can correct any mistakes while I still have all the woofers. But, don't get on here and say the test is worthless because it shows results you don't like... if you say its worthless, give a legitimate reason. If you want me to test 50 boxes in 50 cars, please close this thread now, thats out of the question. The most your getting is 3 boxes in 2 cars... which is still a HELL of alot more than the typical comparison test //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
More results to come.

my main issues are

1) u say no bias, when clearly there is. evryone with a hint of common sense and a knowledge of ur previous posts about the type r's can and will see that. i'm not saying that's a bad thing, but when it comes to sq, a bias will always affect what we want to hear.

when i did my tests, i had three sets of ears, mine, my wife's (who has zero audio knowledge) and a friend who was creaming his pants over the xxx. we all came to the same conclusions, except one. my wife said she couldn't tell and output difference, while ryan and i thought the xxx was indeed the louder sub.

in ur testing, we only get ur opinion and those of ur teammates, who all swear by the alpine. can u see the bias now?

2) enclosure recommendation...it was suggested by ur compadre that mike suggested the 2.35 foot box with the 1700 (rated) wrms. i know mike, and he's conservative as hell. there isn't a chance he'd recommend that box for that power. that tuning, yes. he'd be more apt to suggest 1.5-1.75ft for that power.

and that's it. those are my issues. we all know, well, most of us, that sq is subjective and relies heavily upon application,ie: box, vehicle and power. especially if it's clipped power or clean.

whether or not the type r proves out here (which, i don't see any other outcome) or the rl-p does, doesn't matter. as long as everyone knows, ur results, just like mine, aren't going to be the same results everybody gets.

of course, i wonder what the next flavor of the month is going to be?

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/peace.gif.2db28b618ed8d1964ebbe2f5021d2c39.gif

 

[dbhittin 5,000+ posts]

wooot... type r power!

 

[Pistonsfan70 10+ year member]

What do you think can handle the most power and sound the best in a sealed box between the 3? I am getting ancy to buy a sub and am sick of waiting for a deal on a Diamond TDX... let me know!!