THE OFFICAL 911 was a inside job thread

[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

i bet fancy napkin is masturbating to pictures of rush limbaugh right now

 

[Alpine4x4 10+ year member]

Wow. Umm this is kinda sad... I see lots of people with personal opinions posting evidence to back them up being flamed by a 19 yr old whos posting "facts" he found on the internet as well and not really having his own opinion. it seems his "own" opinions is that of our non lying govt. eh? Please explain the questions these fine people have asked first before flaming them on how theyre "done". I see no evidence or link or anything posted awnsering some very important questions asked wich means it seems as if you are done.This is a debate, so awnser the other peoples questions. If you cannot your done. And hell its not like nobody has ever been bribed/threatened to say something for the govt to make it look good. O and why was Osama Bin Ladens family flown out of the US around 5 days AFTER 911 happend? Did you know we were trading with his family? O and you talking about all this "false evidence" people find on the internet....where are your sources coming form besides the internet. I think some of these people on here are a hell of alot more qualified to awnser some of the questions being asked since they might have a degree in a field related or in the field pertaining to the question. And please stop with the childish remarks of "your done" and such, it really makes you look like a moron.

 

[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

Wow. Umm this is kinda sad... I see lots of people with personal opinions posting evidence to back them up being flamed by a 19 yr old whos posting "facts" he found on the internet as well and not really having his own opinion. it seems his "own" opinions is that of our non lying govt. eh? Please explain the questions these fine people have asked first before flaming them on how theyre "done". I see no evidence or link or anything posted awnsering some very important questions asked wich means it seems as if you are done.This is a debate, so awnser the other peoples questions. If you cannot your done. And hell its not like nobody has ever been bribed/threatened to say something for the govt to make it look good. O and why was Osama Bin Ladens family flown out of the US around 5 days AFTER 911 happend? Did you know we were trading with his family? O and you talking about all this "false evidence" people find on the internet....where are your sources coming form besides the internet. I think some of these people on here are a hell of alot more qualified to awnser some of the questions being asked since they might have a degree in a field related or in the field pertaining to the question. And please stop with the childish remarks of "your done" and such, it really makes you look like a moron.

lol, your done, you have no proof, your done. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Alpine4x4 10+ year member]

lol, your done, you have no proof, your done. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Dman, no im done. Crap what will i do now??? Wait ill retaliate with

You have no proof im done moron...your done //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

Dman, no im done. Crap what will i do now??? Wait ill retaliate withYou have no proof im done moron...your done //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

no you're done //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Lil Poot 5,000+ posts]

anyone found any of these alleged unedited pictures of the skid marks in front of the pentagon yet?

http://www.rense.com/general29/penta.htm

that, my friends, is some ****ED fine photoshopping.

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

So you are telling me, that MIT structural engineers, MIT being the best engineering institution in america, and possibly the world, that they are wrong?

Why should I bother picking apart your paranoid ramblings when popular mechanics wrote a 10 page article debunking them? WHY?

I dont have the time or the effort to do so, niether does the majority of america, which is why people ignore you. For the love of god, this happened 5 years ago and your still talking about it? when will you admit that your wrong?

all of your arguments are based on analyzing little jpeg images, you have no measurements or anything. you have NO credible sources, you keep mentioning times and g-forces, but you dont provide a source to where you got that info. I provided an entire article written by people who are knowledgeable in that field of study, a nuclear physicsist doesnt know much about structural engineering at all, sorry.

you guys are so completely oblivious. Im not going to pick apart any links you post, and that doesnt make them right in ANY way. The moment I show that the link is not credible and is BS, you post another one.

 

[Lil Poot 5,000+ posts]

way to skirt the issue chief. again, until you even attempt to answer any of these questions, or post a link that does, shut the **** up.

btw popular mechanics' article was almost entirely about how plausible this ridiculous "pancake theory" is. they did not attempt to touch on much else.

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

"There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."

The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. WhatReallyHappened.com chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.

On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear--misleadingly--as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty's 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves--blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower--start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground. Translation: no bombs."

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

"Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse."

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

way to skirt the issue chief. again, until you even attempt to answer any of these questions, or post a link that does, shut the **** up.
btw popular mechanics' article was almost entirely about how plausible this ridiculous "pancake theory" is. they did not attempt to touch on much else.

I posted a link moron, the PM article debunks all this. Of course now that all those theories are wrong, you make up more.

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

"However, the building was not able to withstand the intense heat of the jet fuel fire. While it was impossible for the fuel-rich, diffuse-flame fire to burn at a temperature high enough to melt the steel, its quick ignition and intense heat caused the steel to lose at least half its strength and to deform, causing buckling or crippling. This weakening and deformation caused a few floors to fall, while the weight of the stories above them crushed the floors below, initiating a domino collapse. "

~Presentation on WTC Collapse, Civil Engineering Department, MIT, Cambridge, MA

This is actually from a link 1meanGTA posted, he thought it was one of his conspiracy sites, but he didnt actually read it! http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

aaahaha

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

"Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that "some elevators slammed right down" to the ground floor. "The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died," says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary "9/11," by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film."

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F."

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm