THE OFFICAL 911 was a inside job thread

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

Of course, any info on the subject that is against you, is brainwashed by the government, so I dont know why I bother.

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

As for the G-force theory, Im having a hard time finding any info (thats credible, not from a conspiracy site) on the subject.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/overview/index.html mentions no "1.5 g's" anywhere.

If your trying to claim the gov't controlled the airliners remotely, explain the phone calls from the airplanes by passengers mentioning the hijacking.

If your going to claim that it was missles or demolition that caused them to fall, explain why none of the crew or passengers have returned home.

 

[Lil Poot 5,000+ posts]

as i said, they do nothing but attempt (and fail) to explain the collapses. they say nothing of the stock trades (bets in the 2 weeks prior that the stocks of boeing, united, american, and a company that owned 23 stories of the wtc, would drop dramatically, which made millions of dollars) or how the investigations into those deals promptly stopped when the trail led back to a former head of the cia. they do nothing to "debunk" the bush family history with the bin ladens, including staying at their house on saudi arabian trips, the fact that the cia was holding drills of planes hitting the pentagon and world trade centers on that very morning, the fact that the planes pulled manuevers they are not capable of under human control, the fact that the 9/11 commission was a total sham (but you wouldnt know, you've never read it) the fact that mayor guilliani KNEW the buildings were going to collapse, even the north tower, even though that had never before happened. they dont "debunk" the fact that although norad routinely intercepts hijacked or offcourse airplanes within 5 minutes, none of these flights were intercepted even though they knew flight 77 was heading for washington for over 40 minutes AFTER the wtc had been hit. they say nothing of the fact that flight 93 and 77 were completely incinerated according to the government, although thats never happened before or since, airplanes, even at full speed, do not vaporize. they say nothing of the fact that the alleged pilot of the south towers plane COULD NOT fly for shit, yet he hijacked a huge airliner, which is not easy to fly, and apparently flew it by sight alone in an unfamiliar country. they say nothing of the fact that 6 of the 8 pilots were ex military, and that one of them had less than a year prior participated in an excercise of hijacked airliners being flown into the world trade center. they say nothing of 6 of the 19 hijackers STILL BEING ALIVE. they dont mention the giant, covered box that was removed from the pentagon. they dont mention that the top 20 or so floors of the north tower tipped to almost 40 degrees, and should have fallen somewhat independantly, yet was completely pulverized, like the rest of the buildings. they dont mention that all the concrete in those buildings was turned to dust, rather than chunks. they dont mention how flight 77 disappeared from radar over pennsyvania, then reappeared a few miles from washington. 757's are not stealths. they say nothing of almost all of the rubble from the trade centers, which was vital evidence, being shipped overseas immediately and melted down, rather than studied. they dont mention how 8 times as much money was spent on the clinton-lewinski investigation as was spent on the 9-11 investigation. they dont mention how the fires WERE NO LONGER BURNING and people was standing in the gaping holes before the collapses. they dont mention that silverstein insured the towers for billions of dollars weeks before 9/11. they dont mention the planes were only at 30 percent capacity on a day when almost all other flights were full. they dont mention how the government will not release the multiple videos they have of the pentagon being hit, and the few frames they did release dont show any airliner, but rather something that looks like a missile leaving a white smoke trail. (which airliners dont do even if they were capable of flying inches off the ground, which they arent) or that they immediately confiscated the only 2 other videos showing it, one from a gas station and one from a hotel. they say nothing of the way the patriot act leaves the definition of terrorist open, allowing it to be used (and it is everyday) against regular americans. they dont mention how a year before 9/11 the PNAC published a paper saying they needed a "pearl harbor like event" to create a "helpful wave of indignation" to get the american people behind preemptive warfare to expand democracy. they dont try to explain how these "domino collapses" did not slow the rate of collapse from freefall speed AT ALL. they fail to mention the declassified plan from the early 60's (waiting for you to say oh that was 40 years ago) to stage terrorist attacks, including one to remote detonate a drone plane and tell the public it was full of american citizens to get them to support a preemptive war in cuba, which would likely have started a world ending nuclear war. they dont mention how ALL of both world trade centers and wtc 7 was shut down for unprecedented "security drills" and "computer upgrades" in the weeks before 9/11. the building were emptied and bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out. they dont mention george bush's brother owning most of the security company that was in charge. they dont mention all of the firefighters who radioed that bombs were going off around them, including several that specifically mention floors 20-24. they dont mention how all of the glass was blown out in the first floor lobby, and tiles were knocked off the walls. they dont mention how all but one of the black boxes were lost, for the first time in aviation history, being that they are basically indestructible. oh you mentioned the cell phone calls placed from the planes? guess what chief, CELL PHONES DO NOT WORK ON PLANES. they dont mention the obviously fake bin laden confession tape, which looks nothing like him, shows him writing with the wrong hand, and shows him wearing a ring, which is forbidden by islamic law. the dont mention the fact that he denied carrying out these attacks. they dont mention the hundreds of millions of dollars in gold from the wtc basements that came up missing. the dont mention how not a single body or piece of wreckage was found in pennsylvania.

they do, however, quote some "experts" using some very technical sounding words. here is an article that directly addresses the pm article in quite some depth. however, since you obviously have not researched these things past quick google searches, i do not expect you to actually read it.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

as i said, they do nothing but attempt (and fail) to explain the collapses. they say nothing of the stock trades (bets in the 2 weeks prior that the stocks of boeing, united, american, and a company that owned 23 stories of the wtc, would drop dramatically, which made millions of dollars) or how the investigations into those deals promptly stopped when the trail led back to a former head of the cia. they do nothing to "debunk" the bush family history with the bin ladens, including staying at their house on saudi arabian trips, the fact that the cia was holding drills of planes hitting the pentagon and world trade centers on that very morning, the fact that the planes pulled manuevers they are not capable of under human control, the fact that the 9/11 commission was a total sham (but you wouldnt know, you've never read it) the fact that mayor guilliani KNEW the buildings were going to collapse, even the north tower, even though that had never before happened. they dont "debunk" the fact that although norad routinely intercepts hijacked or offcourse airplanes within 5 minutes, none of these flights were intercepted even though they knew flight 77 was heading for washington for over 40 minutes AFTER the wtc had been hit. they say nothing of the fact that flight 93 and 77 were completely incinerated according to the government, although thats never happened before or since, airplanes, even at full speed, do not vaporize. they say nothing of the fact that the alleged pilot of the south towers plane COULD NOT fly for shit, yet he hijacked a huge airliner, which is not easy to fly, and apparently flew it by sight alone in an unfamiliar country. they say nothing of the fact that 6 of the 8 pilots were ex military, and that one of them had less than a year prior participated in an excercise of hijacked airliners being flown into the world trade center. they say nothing of 6 of the 19 hijackers STILL BEING ALIVE. they dont mention the giant, covered box that was removed from the pentagon. they dont mention that the top 20 or so floors of the north tower tipped to almost 40 degrees, and should have fallen somewhat independantly, yet was completely pulverized, like the rest of the buildings. they dont mention that all the concrete in those buildings was turned to dust, rather than chunks. they dont mention how flight 77 disappeared from radar over pennsyvania, then reappeared a few miles from washington. 757's are not stealths. they say nothing of almost all of the rubble from the trade centers, which was vital evidence, being shipped overseas immediately and melted down, rather than studied. they dont mention how 8 times as much money was spent on the clinton-lewinski investigation as was spent on the 9-11 investigation. they dont mention how the fires WERE NO LONGER BURNING and people was standing in the gaping holes before the collapses. they dont mention that silverstein insured the towers for billions of dollars weeks before 9/11. they dont mention the planes were only at 30 percent capacity on a day when almost all other flights were full. they dont mention how the government will not release the multiple videos they have of the pentagon being hit, and the few frames they did release dont show any airliner, but rather something that looks like a missile leaving a white smoke trail. (which airliners dont do even if they were capable of flying inches off the ground, which they arent) or that they immediately confiscated the only 2 other videos showing it, one from a gas station and one from a hotel. they say nothing of the way the patriot act leaves the definition of terrorist open, allowing it to be used (and it is everyday) against regular americans. they dont mention how a year before 9/11 the PNAC published a paper saying they needed a "pearl harbor like event" to create a "helpful wave of indignation" to get the american people behind preemptive warfare to expand democracy. they dont try to explain how these "domino collapses" did not slow the rate of collapse from freefall speed AT ALL. they fail to mention the declassified plan from the early 60's (waiting for you to say oh that was 40 years ago) to stage terrorist attacks, including one to remote detonate a drone plane and tell the public it was full of american citizens to get them to support a preemptive war in cuba, which would likely have started a world ending nuclear war. they dont mention how ALL of both world trade centers and wtc 7 was shut down for unprecedented "security drills" and "computer upgrades" in the weeks before 9/11. the building were emptied and bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out. they dont mention george bush's brother owning most of the security company that was in charge. they dont mention all of the firefighters who radioed that bombs were going off around them, including several that specifically mention floors 20-24. they dont mention how all of the glass was blown out in the first floor lobby, and tiles were knocked off the walls. they dont mention how all but one of the black boxes were lost, for the first time in aviation history, being that they are basically indestructible. oh you mentioned the cell phone calls placed from the planes? guess what chief, CELL PHONES DO NOT WORK ON PLANES. they dont mention the obviously fake bin laden confession tape, which looks nothing like him, shows him writing with the wrong hand, and shows him wearing a ring, which is forbidden by islamic law. the dont mention the fact that he denied carrying out these attacks. they dont mention the hundreds of millions of dollars in gold from the wtc basements that came up missing. the dont mention how not a single body or piece of wreckage was found in pennsylvania.
they do, however, quote some "experts" using some very technical sounding words. here is an article that directly addresses the pm article in quite some depth. however, since you obviously have not researched these things past quick google searches, i do not expect you to actually read it.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm

Your entire rambling was completely unfounded, please provide credible info for every detail. Its like, if there isnt complete and total evidence for every minute detail, then its subject to one of your illogical theories. As ive said, this happened 5 years ago! You guys have failed to win the minds of a few, and ultimately failed at attempting to slander the government.

And nice way to redirect your previous attempts with MORE conspiracies.

And indeed, the PM article was written the absolute best, most knowledgable people on this topic, Ive read the serendipity article, and they have no "experts" at all. Im not going to pick apart their loose arguments.

If you want to continue to believe in these theories, fine. Im not worried about it. If scientific claims by respected engineers, aviators, intelligence experts, and fire saftey experts isnt enough to convince you, I dont know what will.

btw CELL PHONES DO WORK ON PLANES

try explaining why none of the crew or passengers returned home. let me guess, did the government kill them off?

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/debunking/popularmechanics.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=591

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=308

What were you saying about PM?

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

Your entire rambling was completely unfounded, please provide credible info for every detail. Its like, if there isnt complete and total evidence for every minute detail, then its subject to one of your illogical theories. As ive said, this happened 5 years ago! You guys have failed to win the minds of a few, and ultimately failed at attempting to slander the government.And nice way to redirect your previous attempts with MORE conspiracies.

And indeed, the PM article was written the absolute best, most knowledgable people on this topic, Ive read the serendipity article, and they have no "experts" at all. Im not going to pick apart their loose arguments.

If you want to continue to believe in these theories, fine. Im not worried about it. If scientific claims by respected engineers, aviators, intelligence experts, and fire saftey experts isnt enough to convince you, I dont know what will.

btw CELL PHONES DO WORK ON PLANES

try explaining why none of the crew or passengers returned home. let me guess, did the government kill them off?

I would be willing to bet my house that you didnt even read his post.

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/debunking/popularmechanics.htmlhttp://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=591

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=308

What were you saying about PM?

aaaahahahaha, none of those are even close to the level of expertise that PM has.

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

I would be willing to bet my house that you didnt even read his post.

okay.

I read it, and it was difficult because apparently theorists dont believe in paragraphs either.

He also posted "380" claims against the government, and they all lost in court. Hows that for evidence?

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

Believe what you want to believe, you have the right to under the constitution.

 

[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

okay.I read it, and it was difficult because apparently theorists dont believe in paragraphs either.

He also posted "380" claims against the government, and they all lost in court. Hows that for evidence?

no shit they lost, if you were an iraqi under saddam husseins regime and you tried to sue him what do you think would happen?

 

[Alpine4x4 10+ year member]

WOw i just saw fancynapkin get his *** handed to him. A huge post with lots of questions and contradicting theories was posted and yet none were awnsered. only childish remarks of how we're wrong. I suggest you do a little reading fancynapkin on why 911 was staged and compare to your beliefs. I know it might be against your best judgment (what judgment?) but it will show some facinating points. I was in the same boat you were in afor awhile till I opened my mind, broadened my thinking to allow more thoughts in and now think it could go either way but as for now it seems as if the govt has some explaining to do. Thanks for your time...o BTW

Your Done! Ha

 

[benvaldi88 10+ year member]

ummm well thats fun:crap:

 

[Meka 10+ year member]

Lolzzz 3v3ry on3 on h3r3 is an 3xp3rt..7331

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

WOw i just saw fancynapkin get his *** handed to him. A huge post with lots of questions and contradicting theories was posted and yet none were awnsered. only childish remarks of how we're wrong. I suggest you do a little reading fancynapkin on why 911 was staged and compare to your beliefs. I know it might be against your best judgment (what judgment?) but it will show some facinating points. I was in the same boat you were in afor awhile till I opened my mind, broadened my thinking to allow more thoughts in and now think it could go either way but as for now it seems as if the govt has some explaining to do. Thanks for your time...o BTWYour Done! Ha

yeah, a bunch of unfounded paranoid ramblings with ZERO provided evidence to back it up really owned me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Im childish? your the ones suggesting the most low brow of all conspiracies, thats childish.

And you cant answer the simplest of questions: Why did none of the passengers or crew members return home?

answer: they were killed when their planes, hijacked by terrorists, were crashed into the WTC's.

you guys have brought up byu prof. steven jones THREE times! his claims were never even peer reviewed by structural engineers.

Steven Jones even claims that jesus lived in America!!!!!! http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext%20and%20figures.htm

have fun pissing on the graves of 9/11 victims //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Slammed 5,000+ posts]

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