THE OFFICAL 911 was a inside job thread

[NJack2AF 10+ year member]

That works for mild grade steel, but the steel in the WTC was high-grade, and certified to burn at over 2000degrees. The very same people who built the building, and certified the steel came out and said it was impossible for the steel to melt. Regardless of what anyone else says, the very people who built the building said it was impossible for the steel to melt, let alone get that hot from jet fuel.
That article is worthless.

...I guess I am not understanding what you guys are saying by this... We all saw the videos of the tower burning, and then collapsing, what else do you think happened??? The friggin building was built and set to fall down at a certain time??? I am not saying I don't believe that it was an inside job, that is very possible... but what the hell does the way the tower collapsed have to do with anything???

Good thing you didn't live in the 60's with the civil rights movement. "Yeah, well so what does saying we should have rights mean? Whatcha gonna do about it?"
People fail to realize that being a patriot meanings standing up in the face of tyranny and facing the government. This country was founded on people who stood up to what they thought was wrong. You fail to realize this.

No... I realize that and I love this country because we have rights, that is what America is all about. It sickens me to see what is happening to them and how much power the gov. has gained since 9/11. The fact is if people are going to rise up like with the civil rights movement it's not going to be because they think the 9/11 attacks were an inside job, nobody has any way of coming close to proving that. Even if they did how would they find out who set it up? Orchestrating something like that would take tons of people. If the people were going to protest it would be against what is resulting from 9/11 as far as the patriot act and our rights being thrown out the window. The problem with America today is everyone is so **** content they don't care about what goes on in the government enough to do anything about it on a large scale. Unless their entire way of life is directly threatened they just sit on their *****, we have one of the lowest voter turnouts every year. If the government takes things too far and the American people begin to really lose their rights to the point that it changes average Joe American's life considerably, the shit will hit the fan, nobody will let that happen, including myself.

I was just saying that unless you have VERY credible sources and concrete proof that 9/11 was an inside job your not going to gather enough believers to actually do anything about it.

 

[DJGTSR 10+ year member]

This isnt just about how the WTC collapsed. Look at how the government sealed off the site and destroyed all the rubble. Look at how suspicious the Pentagon incident was, LOOK AT THE FLIGHT 93 SHOOT DOWN THEORY and all the evidence that supports it.

Its not just the WTC, looking at the whole incident on Sept 11, it is very reasonable to assume that this was part of a greater plan executed by a part ofthe US government.

J

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

I did not read what everyone else wrote, but if you get into some forces then you realize that when the heated steel, regardless of grade, is under compression and tension, you do not have to reach melting point to see failure. This is the exact reason i did not link the rest of the article.

Do some research on the structural integrity of the WTC's, then get back to me. They were a web of layers of steel. The fire on those floors had no structural effect on the rest of the building. They weren't even near the base of the building, which would have had FAR greater pressure and tension on it than that of 10-20 floors...

Go ahead and look into it, and you will see the WTC's were build to withstand far greater impacts than a fire burning for an hour, and a plane hitting it. It was built to withstand multiple planes hitting it and still stand.

 

[DJGTSR 10+ year member]

I understand this, but its still a possibility.

You would be too if you had to deal with these people and their vodoo-"science"

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Anyway, im outie, later poopfaces!

Im talking a one in a trillion or more possibility.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

cmon marley, its obvious..the steel was old..duh

pff duh!

 

[swimfreak26 10+ year member]

but what the hell does the way the tower collapsed have to do with anything???

The argument is that there were demolition charges in the building, which caused the collapse.

The evidence for this is in the idea that burning jet fuel will not weaken the building enough for failure. It also lies in the fact that both towers fell perfectly, no tipping or swaying, a perfect demo fall.

That's how the building falling matters.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

...I guess I am not understanding what you guys are saying by this... We all saw the videos of the tower burning, and then collapsing, what else do you think happened??? The friggin building was built and set to fall down at a certain time??? I am not saying I don't believe that it was an inside job, that is very possible... but what the hell does the way the tower collapsed have to do with anything???



No... I realize that and I love this country because we have rights, that is what America is all about. It sickens me to see what is happening to them and how much power the gov. has gained since 9/11. The fact is if people are going to rise up like with the civil rights movement it's not going to be because they think the 9/11 attacks were an inside job, nobody has any way of coming close to proving that. Even if they did how would they find out who set it up? Orchestrating something like that would take tons of people. If the people were going to protest it would be against what is resulting from 9/11 as far as the patriot act and our rights being thrown out the window. The problem with America today is everyone is so **** content they don't care about what goes on in the government enough to do anything about it on a large scale. Unless their entire way of life is directly threatened they just sit on their *****, we have one of the lowest voter turnouts every year. If the government takes things too far and the American people begin to really lose their rights to the point that it changes average Joe American's life considerably, the shit will hit the fan, nobody will let that happen, including myself.

I was just saying that unless you have VERY credible sources and concrete proof that 9/11 was an inside job your not going to gather enough believers to actually do anything about it.

How tower collapsed- show that fire didn't cause the fall, and that what we were told was a lie, further tieing into inside job,etc.

And I agree w/ your 2nd paragraph

 

[RandyJ 10+ year member]

Do some research on the structural integrity of the WTC's, then get back to me. They were a web of layers of steel. The fire on those floors had no structural effect on the rest of the building. They weren't even near the base of the building, which would have had FAR greater pressure and tension on it than that of 10-20 floors...
Go ahead and look into it, and you will see the WTC's were build to withstand far greater impacts than a fire burning for an hour, and a plane hitting it. It was built to withstand multiple planes hitting it and still stand.

I've done as much research as I want and I can confidently say you do not have sufficient proof to prove the forces acting upon the structure could not cause it to collapse. Let's face it though, neither you or I are ME's, and can prove nothing other than what we read. It's all about how you interpret what has and can be proven.

I also am pretty sure it was built to withstand a normal sized plane collision, not a plane of this magnitude, or at least that is what the architect said on Discovery //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[swimfreak26 10+ year member]

I also am pretty sure it was built to withstand a normal sized plane collision, not a plane of this magnitude, or at least that is what the architect said on Discovery

I saw that special, I think it was built to withstand a 737? Could be wrong, that's just what I remember. And I'm not overly familiar with what model plane hit it.

 

[NJack2AF 10+ year member]

How tower collapsed- show that fire didn't cause the fall, and that what we were told was a lie, further tieing into inside job,etc.
And I agree w/ your 2nd paragraph

Thank you. I guess I can see what you are saying about the planted charges. Either way though, terrorists could have planted charges just as easily as the government. Also, it's not like the planes just hit the side of the building, there was a HUGE explosion through the other side. Look at how big those planes were, and how big the towers were, those jets are MASSIVE. The impact at 300+ however fast they were going had to be pretty intense and knocked out a lot of the building's main support structure. Also I never saw a second explosion in the video right before the collapse. I still see what you are saying with being lied to tying into the insidee job argument, but not the planted charges idea...

+if there were charges planted couldn't they have just said "the terrorists also preemptively planted explosive charges in the building"?

+why are you guys comparing the fire in the madrid building to the WTC??? I'm not familiar with the madrid fire, but the situations are ENTIRELY different. (unless a huge jetliner hit that building and I wasn't aware) No huge jet knocked out plenty of supporting steel prior to the fire there.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

Thank you. I guess I can see what you are saying about the planted charges. Either way though, terrorists could have planted charges just as easily as the government. Also, it's not like the planes just hit the side of the building, there was a HUGE explosion through the other side. Look at how big those planes were, and how big the towers were, those jets are MASSIVE. The impact at 300+ however fast they were going had to be pretty intense and knocked out a lot of the building's main support structure. Also I never saw a second explosion in the video right before the collapse. I still see what you are saying with being lied to tying into the insidee job argument, but not the planted charges idea...
+if there were charges planted couldn't they have just said "the terrorists also preemptively planted explosive charges in the building"?

George Bush's brother runs security for the towers. Think about that lil tidbit. Conflict of interest??

 

[RandyJ 10+ year member]

I saw that special, I think it was built to withstand a 737? Could be wrong, that's just what I remember. And I'm not overly familiar with what model plane hit it.

Believe so, and even that was at a velocity slower than what the 767's were, I believe.

Little size difference there, don't ya say //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Oop,that first pic sucks ***.

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=103

 

[lslugz 10+ year member]

http://www.loosechange911.com/

 

[DJGTSR 10+ year member]

Thank you. I guess I can see what you are saying about the planted charges. Either way though, terrorists could have planted charges just as easily as the government. Also, it's not like the planes just hit the side of the building, there was a HUGE explosion through the other side. Look at how big those planes were, and how big the towers were, those jets are MASSIVE. The impact at 300+ however fast they were going had to be pretty intense and knocked out a lot of the building's main support structure. Also I never saw a second explosion in the video right before the collapse. I still see what you are saying with being lied to tying into the insidee job argument, but not the planted charges idea...
+if there were charges planted couldn't they have just said "the terrorists also preemptively planted explosive charges in the building"?

+why are you guys comparing the fire in the madrid building to the WTC??? I'm not familiar with the madrid fire, but the situations are ENTIRELY different. (unless a huge jetliner hit that building and I wasn't aware) No huge jet knocked out plenty of supporting steel prior to the fire there.

wrong, the government could have done it much easier.

 

[NJack2AF 10+ year member]

George Bush's brother runs security for the towers. Think about that lil tidbit. Conflict of interest??

Hell George Bush owns tons of stock in big oil too, and look at gas prices and Exxon's corresponding record profits. I never said I supported Bush //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Wait I saw something on TV about the guy that ran security for the towers... he died in the attack, and he wasn't bushes brother... where did you get that information from??

Look, our government is corrupt, the people still hold the power, they always will, but the politicians are the ones who use it. The whole point is, if they get too out of control the people will rise up, at least I hope they would. Honestly the thing that scares me the most right now is the fact that people want to take away our most important right imo. The right to bear arms, if that is taken away, something is definitely wrong, the people will have no power, the military and cops should NEVER be the only ones with guns.