SQ amp for Components

[LaserRed38 10+ year member]

Sorry everyone has been so caught up fighting over the sound of amps and such...no one really noticed this. OP I'm wondering how exactly you're planning on powering a 3-way "active" set-up with a 2 or 4 channel amp........???

 

[Brian_smith06 10+ year member]

Sorry everyone has been so caught up fighting over the sound of amps and such...no one really noticed this. OP I'm wondering how exactly you're planning on powering a 3-way "active" set-up with a 2 or 4 channel amp........???

i noticed that too but just overlooked with the whole sq amp conversation

 

[cleansoundzz 10+ year member]

BULLSHIT..... you guys crack me up. Just because YOU can't hear a difference. People like me that can are supposed to ignore what we can hear with our own ears because YOU say so... whatever. For someone who claims they're one of the "smarter guys" you don't sound very smart. Bottom line is if your happy with a midgrade amp good for you. Probably saves you some $ but don't try to put other people down just because they can hear a difference in amps. Maybe our hearing is better than yours. Whatever it is, for you to say that it doesn't sound different because you don't hear a difference is kinda ignorant.

I never said a thing about anyone just that amps don't have sq that comes from a combination of good speakers, good head unit and a good amp period. Take it as you want it and if you believe that I am stupid then that is your choice. I could really care less what you think of me because I do not know you.

I tell you what though I am smart enough to know not to get caught up in believing that higher quality amps give better sound to the speakers and to keep wasting money especially spending $700 plus dollars buying a tube amp thinking the sq will make that much of a difference. My hearing is fine because in the 20 years that I have been in car audio I do not go around blasting my bass and trying to turn people's heads. I listen to my music at reasonable levels and occasionally turn the bass up but never to where my ears are ringing.

Bulldogg to criticize another person for their opinion shows immaturity on your part. It's ok to have a different opinion than another person and not put them down. Remember, its not just my opinion but other's also share the same view as myself. If all you do is get angry and show it on the forums because people are stating their opinions then you may want to consider not being a part of these forums because it sounds like you will get offended everytime someone has their own opinion.

It's Ok to disagree with someone.

 

[cleansoundzz 10+ year member]

Bulldogg I will listen to gunz4me, n2audio or rfvega before you because they are level headed, don't show any anger in their words, accept the opinions of others and most of all have years and years of car audio experience.

 

[bulldoggg 10+ year member]

Hey bulldoggeh, Butlers arent tube, just a tube preamp section.
Dipshit.

Hey I'm just responding to you guys getting so butt hurt that someone can hear a difference in amps that you can't. Sorry if you guys can't argue your points inteligently and no I'm not gonna leave the forum even though I'm sure you'd like that. if you don't want to be called out on your b.s. opinions, then don't present them as facts.

 

[cleansoundzz 10+ year member]

Take the challenge by Richard Clark, pay $200 to do it, then win $10,000 and everything will be fine. Just don't try to justify what a lot of people already know and that is that there are no sq amps. I am sorry to tell you but your tube driver amps and Audison are definitely good amps but will not sound any better than a Sundown, Linear Power or RF. But if you need to justify spending lots of money for those amps to believe there is a sound quality difference then that is on you.

People with your thinking about sq amps will make these car audio companies rich. They need more people to think like you. They are not getting any of my money.

 

[bulldoggg 10+ year member]

Bulldogg I will listen to gunz4me, n2audio or rfvega before you because they are level headed, don't show any anger in their words, accept the opinions of others and most of all have years and years of car audio experience.

Believe it or not, you can have years and years of experience and still be wrong and sometimes its the ones that have been in it so long that think they know everything and will be close minded.

 

[bulldoggg 10+ year member]

Take the challenge by Richard Clark, pay $200 to do it, then win $10,000 and everything will be fine. Just don't try to justify what a lot of people already know and that is that there are no sq amps. I am sorry to tell you but your tube driver amps and Audison are definitely good amps but will not sound any better than a Sundown, Linear Power or RF. But if you need to justify spending lots of money for those amps to believe there is a sound quality difference then that is on you.

Then why is it that without changing anything else but the amp from a RF actually to the tube driver with the same power the sound dramatically changed? And not just to me but anyone that heard my truck? Because the amp sounds different that's why. You think I didn't go thru the same thing as you trying different amps? I did but the difference is that I could tell a difference. Whether my tube driver sounds better than any other amp is a matter of opinion. But that my tube driver sounds different than other amps isn't. Its fact. I don't need to justify the money I spent on it cause it doesn't bother me to pay what I did which wasn't retail.

 

[LaserRed38 10+ year member]

HEY!!

OP!!

How are you planning to power a 3-way active set-up with a 2/4 channel amp?? I think you are looking for a 2ch amp to power these comps passively. Do you know what that means? I'm actually trying to help you out here! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

BULLSHIT!!!!! Some people just can't hear the difference so they try to say there isn't one. Anyways if you want really nice sq try a butler audio tube driver blue 2150. I highly recomend this amp. Vacuum tubes for the car that make vocals and musical instruments sound like no other amp. It might be outa your price range but if you can swing it you'll never be dissapointed.

I'm very confident in my ability to hear differences between amplifiers. How do I get ahold of this richard clark guy? Lol I could definately use the $. Seriously there are huge differences in sound when comparing amps. Granted some will sound similar but to say they all sound the same? Cmon... and as far as a noise floor, sometimes it gets loud but that's not when I do my critical listening. Sometimes I just sit in my truck and listen to music with the car shut off. There's no noise floor then. If there's no diff between amps then why are some amps so sought after even when they're old and used? Hype? I don't think so. Its cause they sound better.

No. You may hear differences in power. An amp that does not put out enough power for application may distort, then it doesn't sound good; while another amp with enough power will sound clean. If you "hear" something about an amp, your hearing a problem. Probably the amp is underpowered for the application.

But two amps both working within the same power range will sound identical. This has been repeatedly proven. Your not that special. Stop buying into the hype.

 

[bulldoggg 10+ year member]

No. You may hear differences in power. An amp that does not put out enough power for application may distort, then it doesn't sound good; while another amp with enough power will sound clean. If you "hear" something about an amp, your hearing a problem. Probably the amp is underpowered for the application.But two amps both working within the same power range will sound identical. This has been repeatedly proven. Your not that special. Stop buying into the hype.

Why is it you guys are having such a hard time admiting that some of us can hear a difference in some amplifiers even when they have the same specs( which isn't often)? I'm not the only one who has said they can hear a difference. Is it that you guys are tryin to convince yourself that there's no difference because you can't afford them?

 

[cleansoundzz 10+ year member]

Why is it you guys are having such a hard time admiting that some of us can hear a difference in some amplifiers even when they have the same specs( which isn't often)? I'm not the only one who has said they can hear a difference. Is it that you guys are tryin to convince yourself that there's no difference because you can't afford them?

It's not that we can't afford them, we are just not stupid enough to spend wasted money on so called high quality amplifiers when we know that we can't hear a difference between brands. There are no sq amps period. Nobody on this particular thread seems to be agreeing with you, so just believe what you believe and move on.

 

[bulldoggg 10+ year member]

Well if you can't hear the difference, then you can't hear the difference. No arguements here.

 

[SQPL 10+ year member]

I agree with bulldoggg. imho amps differ in sound amplification. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[LaserRed38 10+ year member]

Okay I'm not coming back to this thread unless the OP comes back. BUT, I will say this. I had my Alpine MRV-F345 hooked up to my CDT comps a while back. I had sold my Type-R subs so I was just running my passive front stage. I was looking to replace all my amps with Audison and my local shop gave me a good deal on the display LRx2.4. I had planned on getting the matching 1.1k for my new substage. Well, after hooking up the Audison to the CDTs, and setting the gains and Xovers the same, there was definitely a different sound to my speakers. I am in no ways an expert, nor can I actually describe exactly how the sound was different, but it was. Some frequencies seemed a little more pronounced, while other seemed more relaxed. That is ALL I'm going to say on this matter. However, that is comparing a 120x2 rated 2ch amp and a 75x4 rated 4ch amp. I can't even tell you guys which amp sounded "better" because they both had a unique sound. In the end though, I didn't think the Audisons were worth the price and I ended up selling it, went back to my Alpine for a while, then picked up my US Amps AX5600 I have now to go active. I did run the AX5600 with the CDTs passive for a few months too. Honestly it sounded pretty similar to the Alpine.

All that aside, I think I can honestly say that the Audison didn't have a very "natural" sound to it. I know the LRx is their mid-grade line, so I don't know if it is made with cheaper parts than the VRx series, but all I am saying is that there definitely was a difference in sound from my Audison and my Alpine/US Amps. It wasn't a HUGE difference, but I noticed, and I think it was easier to notice when I wasn't running any subs because I came to recognize the subtleties of my comps better.

I'm not agreeing with bulldogg, but just stating my personal experience as I believe anyone could have heard the difference. Like I said gains and Xovers were set the same, and no settings on my 9835 were changed at the time.