So it was a plane... Right?

[Gauntlet 5,000+ posts]

If you read through all the links posted and still can't reach a logical conclusion about what happened, then I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you about the subject. The issue of WMD's is not a matter of corruption. Based on the reports the CIA gave to Bush, I completely understand why he made the decision he did. His reaction is one I would I want from a commander-in-chief. If you wait until there is indisputable proof that WMDs do in fact exist, the proof more than likely will lie in the ruins of a city, scattered amongst dead bodies. It's the Presidents job to assess the validity of a potential threat and react accordingly, which he did. In hindsight, the reports were not completely accurate - that is an insitutional problem, not an example of our government being corrupt and out to get us to fulfill their ego and other such nonsense. Regardless of the WMD issue, a strong, succint argument can still be made defending the war; as well an argument chastising the way Bush acted. Both are legitimate, and neither is right.

Is the government perfect? No. Is it possible for any government to be perfect? No. There are cetainly going to be problems individuals have with specific policies; universal satisfaction is an irrational, unreachable goal when you have to govern such a large nation. This dates back to the colonial days. Some people hated the way the the country was being run and wanted to draft a Constitution, while others simply wanted to ratify the Articles of Confederation. Imagine if the latter policy was implemented because people didn't want to change until it was forced upon them. The point is, don't raise your standards to levels that can't feasibly be reached.

On another note, I recently read a book about the Holocaust. It sounded pretty bad. But I also read another book providing some good reasons as to why it didn't happen and it's a lie created by the Jewish people to get sympathy. I wasn't there when it happened, so what do I believe?

 

[Black_Jesus 10+ year member]

But I also read another book providing some good reasons as to why it didn't happen and it's a lie created by the Jewish people to get sympathy. I wasn't there when it happened, so what do I believe?

you can **** sure believe the most powerful race doesnt need any sympathy... yes... jews are a race, not a religion. richest and most powerful race in the world... a lot of people dont know that and hide that they are jewish so they wont be ridiculed

 

[Gauntlet 5,000+ posts]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif My point clearly flew right over your head.

 

[TwistedVisions 10+ year member]

If u hate america so much just get ur sorry as out. Of course the gov is corrupt. If u cant deal with it then get the **** out.

*sigh* I don't hate america i was just trying to point out that our goverment isn't perfect. No where in my post did i post "i hate america" which thats your mistake and not mine. I only said that it was corrupt which you seem to agree with me so why post some bullsh*t like "if you can't deal with it get out". Anyways im not going to argue with you about words i didn't say so why dont' you get off your high horse and speak when spoken to.

Anyways, Guantlet you made a good point about the CIA was the one that gave bush the information about the WMD. Which i believe is true that he was handed the information but I just feel that he had political reasons behind it more then just fear of our safety. Have you watched the 911 commericals and how he uses that tragedy to gain politcal votes? If not i can surf the web for the one i saw. I am not totally against the war because i do know sudamm was an evil man and tortured his own people. Do i think people like that should be removed?? Of course i do. Now what i don't see is why would we go after him before N. Korea for starting up there nuke plants in 2002? I did read that they started them up to generate power through out there country but they had an agreement with us not to start them up again and not only did they break that agreement but started them back up in secret without telling us.

CNN

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

That's different. If they were covering something up, I'm not quite sure what it was. I may have missed parts of the video because my screen saver kept coming on, but this 747 that supposedly hit the pentagon, was there records of it existing? If so was there records of it landing somewhere else? There should have been individuals that got off the plane stating that it landed safely in another area.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

I was about as informative as that video. There are plenty of conspiracy theories out there (even ones on the same issue) that are more plausible than this, and actually have legitimate sources to back up their claims.
http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/9-11/firstplane.htm

I don't know about this one. It could have been Bush's english language issue. I saw the first attack also. I saw a plane that was burning inside the world trade center. I'm sure there were other americans that initially thought the first plane crash was due to piloting problems.

 

[LuNaTiC 10+ year member]

my cousin used to be a body guard for the president. He quit the job. I asked why he had quit? He said because there were/are too many lies to keep secret. He told me theres ALOT of stuff that goes on that we the people dont know about. Alot of cover ups that the people CAN'T know about. I said tell me about it, and he say that he couldn't. So i do bieleve that the government keeps some secrets from the people but i dont think that it is corrupt.

P.S. maybe //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/offtopic.gif.470a8b0541c72322a0037f48a8237473.gif but w/e

 

[Black_Jesus 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif My point clearly flew right over your head.

not at all, i think its the other way around

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

There are certain things better left unknown in the best interest of the country as a whole. Imagine the panic that would ensue if the general public had been aware that the Germans sunk a freighter less that 5 miles outside Pensacola harbor during the second World War, or that the Japanese shelled the US mainland. The anarchy created by the paniced reactions of the general populace would have brought the country to its knees over something that in the grand scheme of things were rather trivial events.

Believe what you want about any conspiracy theory that may be presented by someone with an agenda. Just as you shouldn't blindly believe what the media tells you (they usually have an agenda as well) you should be even more wary of the propaganda that is promulgated by these conspiracy groups. Half-truths can be pretty convincing if you let yourself think that they have presented all the facts.

 

[Gauntlet 5,000+ posts]

not at all, i think its the other way around

No...my comment was said in jest; it wasn't meant to be taken seriously and at face value. You did.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

my cousin used to be a body guard for the president. He quit the job. I asked why he had quit? He said because there were/are too many lies to keep secret. He told me theres ALOT of stuff that goes on that we the people dont know about. Alot of cover ups that the people CAN'T know about. I said tell me about it, and he say that he couldn't. So i do bieleve that the government keeps some secrets from the people but i dont think that it is corrupt.


P.S. maybe //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/offtopic.gif.470a8b0541c72322a0037f48a8237473.gif but w/e

Yeah. Edited. I take back my last thought that I was going to post as a theory. I don't know what happened. Maybe in 50 years I'll know, if I'm still alive in 50 years.

 

[LuNaTiC 10+ year member]

O Ooo tell us the theory. Will u? will u mister?

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

THEORY: Aliens will take over the world.

 

[imready77 10+ year member]

Theory: vegetables are really bad for you

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

Theory: vegetables are really bad for you

From what I hear. Tommyk bys generic ones...

BTW They found Jimmy Hoffa's body outside Elvis's donut shop while he was cooking.