Sick of feeling like I have to celebrate Easter and other religious holidays.

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

was jesus hooked up to a heart monitor and there is documented proof that he was dead? i mean hell even into the early 1900's people were buried with bells so that just in case they were buried alive they could ring the bell and be dug up....

isnt it highly possible that he was just in a coma and came out of the coma?

guys like chris angel perform "miracles" in front of our face all the time. maybe jesus was a magician?

answer me this. would you say that scientists who discover the cure for diseases, create the worlds medicines, and even figure out how to clone people are extremely smart and if they told you something you would just trust they were right? im not positive on the exact number but its something like 1% of all scientists actually believe in god.... why is it that the smartest most educated people dont believe?

yes science has told me that it is IMPOSSIBLE that a woman can miraculously get pregnant, snakes dont talk, a person cant live inside a whale, and theres no way the red sea can just be parted by someone.

why is it that god only talks to crazy drunken redneck hillbillies? why doesnt he ever speak to anyone people would actually take seriously? would jesus seriously choose to show up on a grilled cheese sandwich?? seriously?

elron hubbard proved he could just write a couple books and create a religion didnt he? elron hubbard was smart. he got famous people to spread his word.

 

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Yes God only speaks to crazy rednecks (didn't know many of the Saints were crazy or rednecks).... you are very ignorant. Go read up buddy, becasue clearly you are running your mouth with about 99% made up bullshit opinion of yours. Why don't scientist believe in God? Why would they! That would mean their research means nothing to them . If their faith led them to beleive God did this or that, then why would they scientifically research? Who are you to say those scientist are correct? Who are they to be correct? becasue they took some measurments, created some laws or rules to try and comprehend the complexity of life? Humans set the standards of scientific fact, is it not true that facts are CONSTANTLY changing? Would you agree the facts of 100 years ago are no longer all facts today? So basically your proof is derived from people who are constantly changing that proof. Faith remains and facts change.

 

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Yes God only speaks to crazy rednecks (didn't know many of the Saints were crazy or rednecks).... you are very ignorant. Go read up buddy, becasue clearly you are running your mouth with about 99% made up bullshit opinion of yours. Why don't scientist believe in God? Why would they! That would mean their research means nothing to them . If their faith led them to beleive God did this or that, then why would they scientifically research? Who are you to say those scientist are correct? Who are they to be correct? becasue they took some measurments, created some laws or rules to try and comprehend the complexity of life? Humans set the standards of scientific fact, is it not true that facts are CONSTANTLY changing? Would you agree the facts of 100 years ago are no longer all facts today? So basically your proof is derived from people who are constantly changing that proof. Faith remains and facts change.

so if christianity is correct what about all the religions that existed before christianity that followed the same story line? and you are saying we cant trust "facts" from 1000 yrs ago.... well what about the bible or christianity itself? the earth is flat was completely wrong, but jesus christ was definitely the son of god? used your own logic against you....

i love how you picked one thing out of all i said and got mad about it. and i never said scientists were definitely correct, i merely said its awfully coincidental that the smartest people in the world dont believe. thats all.

 

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so if christianity is correct what about all the religions that existed before christianity that followed the same story line? and you are saying we cant trust "facts" from 1000 yrs ago.... well what about the bible or christianity itself? the earth is flat was completely wrong, but jesus christ was definitely the son of god? used your own logic against you....
i love how you picked one thing out of all i said and got mad about it. and i never said scientists were definitely correct, i merely said its awfully coincidental that the smartest people in the world dont believe. thats all.

What religion follows the same path as Christianity?

I would much rather put my faith in a higher power, and live life in a systematic path that honors that higher power, and does not waver no matter what. As opposed to living based upon the discoveries of other humans which is constantly changing aka wrong. Your asking for scientific proof of a relgious figure (Jesus).... How can that be possible when we already established the proof, we call "fact" is not in actuality FACT, becasue it is constantly changing. Therefor scientific "proof" holds no weight. You believe everything a scientist formulated and came to call fact, even though you know very well he/she/they could be wrong given 10 years of technological advancment? What a way to live.

Why do you think Jesus came and gave his life? For the sins of all man, so previous religions hold no weight. Man's sins were wipped clean, and from there we, or those that have faith, are to choose our paths of sin or not.

 

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Calling Jesus the son of God is part of my faith. It can not be disproven. If you live according to science, then your example of the earth being flat does not fit with Jesus being the son of God, because you can prove that the earth is not flat. Show me how Jesus was not the son of God.....

 

[M3th]

also science, does not give answers to the most important aspects of our existance. How can you possibly live based on science when science has no idea how we got here, how we were created, how the universe was created, or even how we have the concept of faith. But yet you rely on science to answer all else in your life and it is supposed to provide a foundatin for society? Wow

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

What religion follows the same path as Christianity? I would much rather put my faith in a higher power, and live life in a systematic path that honors that higher power, and does not waver no matter what. As opposed to living based upon the discoveries of other humans which is constantly changing aka wrong. Your asking for scientific proof of a relgious figure (Jesus).... How can that be possible when we already established the proof, we call "fact" is not in actuality FACT, becasue it is constantly changing. Therefor scientific "proof" holds no weight. You believe everything a scientist formulated and came to call fact, even though you know very well he/she/they could be wrong given 10 years of technological advancment? What a way to live.

Why do you think Jesus came and gave his life? For the sins of all man, so previous religions hold no weight. Man's sins were wipped clean, and from there we, or those that have faith, are to choose our paths of sin or not.

the ancient egyptians believe in a god called osiris. he had a son named horos, born from a virgin, baptized in a river, was said to walk on water, heal the sick, raised a man from the dead, had 12 disciples, was crucified 1000 years before jesus, and was resurrected...... sound like christianity? only it was thousands of years prior to christianity......

you call me ignorant but all you chose to believe is the bible and what happened in that book. according to your religion the world began in 0001 AD.... well what about proof we have that the world is billions of years old and not just thousands?

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

also science, does not give answers to the most important aspects of our existance. How can you possibly live based on science when science has no idea how we got here, how we were created, how the universe was created, or even how we have the concept of faith. But yet you rely on science to answer all else in your life and it is supposed to provide a foundatin for society? Wow

and i never once said i live totally based on science..... you know what when i was a little boy i was told to believe in the easter bunny..... well i stayed up all night long and have once seen a **** bunny hop into my house and give me candy.

with science there is at least proof. we know for a fact the world is older than the bible says it is. these people you trust so blindly are those same people you have made fun of for thinking the earth was flat... how can you trust them on this idea but mock them for not having all the answers.

the romans were the smartest in that time period. hence they killed the crazy whacko that was running around saying he was the son of god just like we would today. you think elron hubbard is nuts, you think all the other cult leaders of today are nuts, why was jesus any different?

if your daughter came home and said "dad im pregnant but i never had ***" would you believe her? no you would not. why?? because a scientist told you that it is IMPOSSIBLE!

 

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the ancient egyptians believe in a god called osiris. he had a son named horos, born from a virgin, baptized in a river, was said to walk on water, heal the sick, raised a man from the dead, had 12 disciples, was crucified 1000 years before jesus, and was resurrected...... sound like christianity? only it was thousands of years prior to christianity......
you call me ignorant but all you chose to believe is the bible and what happened in that book. according to your religion the world began in 0001 AD.... well what about proof we have that the world is billions of years old and not just thousands?

Have we not established your sense of fvcking proof is not correct. What you call proof or fact constantly changes, therefore its is NEVER proof or fact! A scientist says the world is a billion years old, so you believe him, for what reason? Because 10,000 scientist before him estimated another age or number, and 10,000 after will do the same. As for your egyptians, how the fvck do you know this story? Becasue some scientist looked at a wall and formulated a conclusion of what people that long ago suposedly thought, believed, and worshiped. He suddenly lived back then from the erroded images of a wall huh. Just from some drawings on a wall, that is supposed to be considered concrete fact? No chance of being wrong? That is exactly how the eqyptians saw it and experienced it? You want your scientific fact crap soo bad, what about all the FIRST HAND accounts of jesus and his miracles from that time period, where modern written text was established.

 

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and i never once said i live totally based on science..... you know what when i was a little boy i was told to believe in the easter bunny..... well i stayed up all night long and have once seen a **** bunny hop into my house and give me candy.
with science there is at least proof. we know for a fact the world is older than the bible says it is. these people you trust so blindly are those same people you have made fun of for thinking the earth was flat... how can you trust them on this idea but mock them for not having all the answers.

the romans were the smartest in that time period. hence they killed the crazy whacko that was running around saying he was the son of god just like we would today. you think elron hubbard is nuts, you think all the other cult leaders of today are nuts, why was jesus any different?

if your daughter came home and said "dad im pregnant but i never had ***" would you believe her? no you would not. why?? because a scientist told you that it is IMPOSSIBLE!

What miracles did Hubbard perform?

You keep refering to smarts, but yet smart is a relative term set by other human beings. Your being judged by other people, yeah another good way to go about life, based in peer judgement and science which we already have established to be ever changing and often flawed.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Your pregnancy example makes zero sense. If my daughter told me she was pregnant and she hadnt had ***, she is either lying, or it is the work of God. What is your point.

 

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You have no idea about the teachings and events you are argueing against. You are making assumptions and presenting them as fact. You can not breath L Ron Hubbard in the same breath as Jesus. Christians do not blindly believe in Jesus and his teachings, as you make it appear with your connections to Hubbard. Your thinking is flawed, and you might want to go read up on relgion before you start making arguements agaist it and faith. Science has be notoriously inaccurate or flat out wrong, hence religion still being alive and thriving in our society today. You think there would be over 2.1 Billion followers of Christianity if science provided "proof" for everything.

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

Have we not established your sense of fvcking proof is not correct. What you call proof or fact constantly changes, therefore its is NEVER proof or fact! A scientist says the world is a billion years old, so you believe him, for what reason? Because 10,000 scientist before him estimated another age or number, and 10,000 after will do the same. As for your egyptians, how the fvck do you know this story? Becasue some scientist looked at a wall and formulated a conclusion of what people that long ago suposedly thought, believed, and worshiped. He suddenly lived back then from the erroded images of a wall huh. Just from some drawings on a wall, that is supposed to be considered concrete fact? No chance of being wrong? That is exactly how the eqyptians saw it and experienced it? You want your scientific fact crap soo bad, what about all the FIRST HAND accounts of jesus and his miracles from that time period, where modern written text was established.

this is awesome. the more and more you get questioned you get angry.

first hand accounts of what? i saw chris angel walk on water a couple of years ago on tv. does that mean hes jesus jr.? you are relying on a story told a billion times. didnt you ever play the game telephone when you were a kid? you cant line up 10 kids and get the same story at the end of the line what makes you think these miracle stories of jesus are all that accurate?

and to respond to the bold text..... you my friend are WRONG.... written records date back to 3100 BC and the egyptians.

whats the difference in a historian translating a language using pictures and a language using letters? you realize the bible wasnt written in english right? and you know how well things are translated. sometimes things just dont come out quite right. so to think that its blasphemy that Horus existed is kind of what you are calling me out on when i say its crazy that jesus existed......

its just plain and simple. deep down i know you are a fairly intelligent person. if tomorrow a guy walked up to you and said "im the son of god" you would look at him and laugh. he could turn water into wine right in front of you and would instantly believe it was just some magician.... you would call him nuts and walk away. now why is it that you wouldnt believe yourself but, you want to have this blind faith, or this trust in someone you didnt know that lived 2000 yrs ago.

if tomorrow your best friend said "dude, yesterday i was at my uncles funeral and right in the middle of it he got up and rose from the dead. i think hes jesus." you would instantly go, well he wasnt dead then. he was in a coma. some doctor messed up. no way in hell would you even entertain the thought that he was the reincarnation of jesus. you just wouldnt.

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

and i only used scientology because you mentioned it was crazy to think that someone could just write a book (the bible) and start a religion... that people wouldnt believe it if it didnt exist...

well elron hubbard did. he wrote a couple books and started a religion. so it is possible.

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

You have no idea about the teachings and events you are argueing against. You are making assumptions and presenting them as fact. You can not breath L Ron Hubbard in the same breath as Jesus. Christians do not blindly believe in Jesus and his teachings, as you make it appear with your connections to Hubbard. Your thinking is flawed, and you might want to go read up on relgion before you start making arguements agaist it and faith. Science has be notoriously inaccurate or flat out wrong, hence religion still being alive and thriving in our society today. You think there would be over 2.1 Billion followers of Christianity if science provided "proof" for everything.

seriously religion still thrives because people are weak. there is not one person on this earth that wants to be alone. we always want to think someone out there cares about us. when all else fails god will be there to take care of us. that is why it thrives. and that is totally fine with me. people need something to believe in, great. but dont look down on me for not being so **** naive thats all. this great relgious debate only happens because i think you are stupid for believing and you think im stupid for not believing.... if we all just didnt give a crap what other people think this debate wouldnt happen. if i didnt constantly get jehovahs witnesses coming to my house bothering me, constant lectures from my grandma, or guilt trip upon guilt trip from other religious people i wouldnt detest religious people so much. and if religious people would just admit that its possible they are wrong then you wouldnt hate me so much. fact of the matter is you dont know and i dont know. we both dont know. and im not going to simply "double down" and take the safe road and believe just in case.

i think that 2.1 billion number is very very bloated. ALOT of those people simply believe as an insurance policy. i dont know how many times ive been told that people go to church, "just in case". and then theres the people that believe just simply because their parents told them to believe, like my grandma. she grew up in the south, you went to church, you believe in god and thats that. you question it and bam you ****.... so take out all those people and i gurantee the amount of people that are actually educated in religion that truly believe would be in the millions and not the billions.

thanks for keeping me entertained tonight. i might of actually gone to sleep if it wasnt for you haha

 

[M3th]

this is awesome. the more and more you get questioned you get angry.

first hand accounts of what? i saw chris angel walk on water a couple of years ago on tv. does that mean hes jesus jr.? you are relying on a story told a billion times. didnt you ever play the game telephone when you were a kid? you cant line up 10 kids and get the same story at the end of the line what makes you think these miracle stories of jesus are all that accurate?

and to respond to the bold text..... you my friend are WRONG.... written records date back to 3100 BC and the egyptians.

whats the difference in a historian translating a language using pictures and a language using letters? you realize the bible wasnt written in english right? and you know how well things are translated. sometimes things just dont come out quite right. so to think that its blasphemy that Horus existed is kind of what you are calling me out on when i say its crazy that jesus existed......

its just plain and simple. deep down i know you are a fairly intelligent person. if tomorrow a guy walked up to you and said "im the son of god" you would look at him and laugh. he could turn water into wine right in front of you and would instantly believe it was just some magician.... you would call him nuts and walk away. now why is it that you wouldnt believe yourself but, you want to have this blind faith, or this trust in someone you didnt know that lived 2000 yrs ago.

if tomorrow your best friend said "dude, yesterday i was at my uncles funeral and right in the middle of it he got up and rose from the dead. i think hes jesus." you would instantly go, well he wasnt dead then. he was in a coma. some doctor messed up. no way in hell would you even entertain the thought that he was the reincarnation of jesus. you just wouldnt.

If a man came up to me and said he was the son of God, performed countess miracles, and resurected from the dead, yeah I will believe him.

The accounts of jesus are not some storyteller on the street telling children, and someone decided to write them down. You have VERY flawed thinking, and you have NO idea about the history or preachings of christianity, hence your vague examples, such as the daughter, a random man, L Ron Hubbard, Osiris those have ZERO basis when it comes to the history and accounts of Christinaty as a whole, nevermind just Jesus. Jesus was not in a **** coma, you sound like a moron now, for real.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Your saying all of chirstianity is based on a man in a coma:laugh:. I am not even going to rebutt on that. All I am going to say is go read up on what happend, read the bible, read outside accounts, then use your science, and tell me if he was in a coma. PLEASE GO READ, you honestly are just making shit up now. Your making the most random examples, Jesus did not just pass out dead one day and they put him in a tomb and he woke up.

I honestly dont feel like continuing with this, because it it getting more and more rediculous. Your arguement gets more vague, and rediculous sounding as you continue on as opposed to strengthend. You compared a man in a coffin waking up to Jesus being crusified....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif You just keep reaching to formulate some more made up assumptions from bits and pieces you heard about Christianity, and present them as fact. There is more to the Christian faith than a man waking up from a supposed coma, and you might want to look into what that is before you open your mouth. Your kinda like a scinetist with your own set of "facts" or conclusions, except you did absolutly no research or work in the formulation process //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif:laugh:.

Peace have a good day. I will be celebrating Easter with my family, and it has nothing to do with a bunny, you might want to educate yourself on that, since "smarts" is soo important to you, and your arguements.