*** Serious Question***

[PollyCranopolis 10+ year member]

Everyone should just listen to Widespread Panic, and we could work through our musical differences.

 

[WillyG4444 10+ year member]

When we say rap, its songs that are meant to have meaning and tell a story or express an emotion or point of view, the ones where the lyrics are by far the most thought out and important part of the song. when we say hiphop its usually pretty much just dance/party/club music and these days hiphop is almost all the same, which is what you hear on the radio and mtv most of the time like t-pain's 47th version of 'buy you a drank'...

I have to disagree with you... I think the main distinction is that hip hop is a lifestyle, it's real shit if you will. If you remember, KRS One said something like "Rap is something you do, but hip hop is something you live."

I would say all hip hop is rap, but not all rap is hip hop. I think the mass marketed mainstream stuff is rap... on the other hand, De La Soul, Jurassic 5, Rakim, Immortal Technique etc. are hip hop.

Please don't call T-Pain and mainstream crap hip hop thanks //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif lol

 

[PepsiFiend69 10+ year member]

this is why putting the ipod on shuffle is always FTW //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

I have to disagree with you... I think the main distinction is that hip hop is a lifestyle, it's real shit if you will. If you remember, KRS One said something like "Rap is something you do, but hip hop is something you live."
I would say all hip hop is rap, but not all rap is hip hop. I think the mass marketed mainstream stuff is rap... on the other hand, De La Soul, Jurassic 5, Rakim, Immortal Technique etc. are hip hop.

Please don't call T-Pain and mainstream crap hip hop thanks //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif lol

I think the definition has changed though, at least according to the average modern american...I mean people who don't listen to the deeper songs of rap and see rap as just bein about thugs and gangsters and money and cars and hoes will generally say they like hip hop, but not rap. When they say that, they're talking about shit you hear on the radio and at school dances and clubs and shit

 

[teen 10+ year member]

i like how you bring up weezy as your example. everybody knows he sucks. 95% of the music i play in my car is rap, but i dont play weezy (unless its his old stuff) and i wont let anybody play weezy in my car either. a good number of weezy CD's have gone out my window.

if you actually listen to some of the lyrics from a good artist, like young buc or fabolous, theres a lot of hidden messages and stuff that most people dont even catch. i mean, i dont even catch a lot of the stuff until i hear the song 5 or 6 times. to actually understand it, you need an ear for it.

a line like "all the girls standing in the line for the bathroom", half of america doesnt even know what that means. they just play it because they heard it on MTV or whatever. that doesnt mean the song sucks though.

listen to the song "no static" by nappy roots. thats actually good "rap". seriously, listen to it and lmk what you think. that goes to anybody who says rap sucks.

 

[TurdFergueson2 5,000+ posts]

I have to disagree with you... I think the main distinction is that hip hop is a lifestyle, it's real shit if you will. If you remember, KRS One said something like "Rap is something you do, but hip hop is something you live."
I would say all hip hop is rap, but not all rap is hip hop. I think the mass marketed mainstream stuff is rap... on the other hand, De La Soul, Jurassic 5, Rakim, Immortal Technique etc. are hip hop.

Please don't call T-Pain and mainstream crap hip hop thanks //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif lol

I approve this post. There are so very few Hip Hop artists compared to today. Like I said, money ruined the rap game. Even people like Common are doing fvking Lincoln Navigator commercials. Hip Hop is Dead. It has been dying for some time now. Honestly, I feel it died when the Master P/Cash Money/independents from the south influx. That mixed with the east coast artists mostly talking about platinum chains and benzes and West Coast artists and their BBQs and 64 Impalas just ruined the game. You had a handful of decent rap and hip hop acts that made it through. For the West Coast, I've always liked Tha Alkaholiks, Ice Cube (till he started making kiddie movies) Dre, and maybe one or 2 others. East Coast..... Too many to name. Midwest...Common, Do or Die, Twista... South.... Outkast, and Scarface. Not that I don't respect these other artists doing what they have to do to put the food on their table, but the shit won't hold up. 20 years from now, I'm not gonna be trying to hear no "Shoulda Lean" or "My Dougie" when I'm 51. It's been 22 years since I first heard BDP "By All Means Necessary" and it still gets air play in my car. Rap music is so disposable now it's pathetic. But again a lot of it is for millions, just not me.

 

[_DjScrew_ 5,000+ posts]

i like how you bring up weezy as your example. everybody knows he sucks. 95% of the music i play in my car is rap, but i dont play weezy (unless its his old stuff) and i wont let anybody play weezy in my car either. a good number of weezy CD's have gone out my window.
if you actually listen to some of the lyrics from a good artist, like young buc or fabolous, theres a lot of hidden messages and stuff that most people dont even catch. i mean, i dont even catch a lot of the stuff until i hear the song 5 or 6 times. to actually understand it, you need an ear for it.

a line like "all the girls standing in the line for the bathroom", half of america doesnt even know what that means. they just play it because they heard it on MTV or whatever. that doesnt mean the song sucks though.

listen to the song "no static" by nappy roots. thats actually good "rap". seriously, listen to it and lmk what you think. that goes to anybody who says rap sucks.

that annoys the shit out of me. I have a 15yr old cousin and she still hasn't figured out she's white. She's always singing some retarded new shit from mtv and she will admit she has no idea what the lyrics mean.

 

[Dozy_production 10+ year member]

I mostly listen to 60's to 90's rock. Big fan of Bad Company, Queen, Zepplin, Aerosmith and all the other British invasion bands. But I definitely do enjoy my Deltron, Brother Ali, Brand Nubians and etc. Yes, there is good Rap and R&B.

Threads like these are a bit pointless because its just depends on a person's taste. I just got my girlfriend, who listens to most of the MTV crap, liking classic rock after making her 20 CD's with only that sort of content. Do something more like that then whining on a forum.

Didn't read any of the thread //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[cpierce 5,000+ posts]

I've heard it all. And it is all just a bunch of lyrics that makes no sense. . It is kinda dumb if you think about it. And also, metal and almost every rock song has lyrics that mean something to everyone's daily life.
I hate hearing rappers rap about 24's and *****es. It is lame as hell. And everyone knows thats what rap is about. Money, *****es, rims and more money. Again, it is lame.

You obviously haven't heard it all

 

[kopimon 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif metal is exactly the same way for me...it all sounds like 5 guitars making noise and someone banging on drums in a pointless hard to decipher pattern and to top it off some angry guy who everyone thinks is hardcore yelling shit at the top of his lungs you cant understand because he can't speak clearlyi LOLed .. I like Dragonforce and Children of Bodom but their stuff does all sound the same for the most part

Also the main point of rap is the lyricism and meaning that can be carried in the songs, but unfortunately mainstream rap no longer reflects that at all. Its pretty much just hiphop these days...if you primarily listen to radio rap, then it makes 100% sense you would have the opinion you do

QFT .. Jay Z's 2000 album "The Dynasty" was deep and today's rap doesn't even come close ... Shawty wanna li-li-li-lick me like a lollipop .. GTFO

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[cpierce 5,000+ posts]

Do you r-tards not understand that every "rap" song you hear on the radio wasn't meant to be some lyrical masterpiece? Do you really think Wayne was trying to get lyrical with Lollipop?

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Do you r-tards not understand that every "rap" song you hear on the radio wasn't meant to be some lyrical masterpiece? Do you really think Wayne was trying to get lyrical with Lollipop?

obviously not, but there's no need for that garbage...he just cares about a quick buck, without giving a shit what kind of trash he puts out there

he used to have some pretty good stuff too...

 

[TurdFergueson2 5,000+ posts]

Do you r-tards not understand that every "rap" song you hear on the radio wasn't meant to be some lyrical masterpiece? Do you really think Wayne was trying to get lyrical with Lollipop?

Sir, there was a time when artists put out shit like it was gonna be their last day in the studio. Now these Fvkers have their own studios before they even get on the radio. I don't hate the players, I hate the game. The GAYme as well. None of that can change so we all suffer.

The thing about Lolipop is yeah there is no lyrical genius to it, but it makes the sheep dance. They play it on MTV so it must be good. Lil Wayne can put shit like that out because people will buy it. All it needs to do is have some fruity *** beat and a dumb *** hook to it. Or be on tv with some expensive *** clothes and a chain.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

everyone has their own tastes and opinions. Many jsut like what they have access to, or what their spoon-fed (see ava)

some just like what their peers like in order to feel accepted.

Listen to what you listen to. why care what others like or whatnot.

 

[dragnix 5,000+ posts]

everyone has their own tastes and opinions. Many jsut like what they have access to, or what their spoon-fed (see ava)
some just like what their peers like in order to feel accepted.

Listen to what you listen to. why care what others like or whatnot.

Agreed, wow James, i didn't know you were capable of a serious answer over here on ca.com