series or parallel?

did i make sense Stones? I am working on a large HOW TO write up for installation under Primedia coverage. using humor and modern lingo/terminology as well as comparisons to things outside audio for those that might be more into say performance than stereos, but is looking for some technical help in language that he or she can understand easily. sometimes i type bits of streaming info from my head, rather than try to type at the speed of the thought, i'm sure it'd be illegible. anyway, if you have any other questions regarding design, topology and theory as well as real world application experience, i'll be more than happy to share information with you, sir.
This is what I gathered

When a DVC is wired in series it makes better use of the two coils in terms of motor force controlling the movment of the cone and is benificial in vented enclosure performance, due to lower QTC and greater motor control.

Parralell raises QTC and lessens motor control and is better used in sealed applications due to sealed box properties.

now I take it that these are general qualities due to the number of people who run their subs in parralell in vented boxes without problems and that the audible difference (power aside) is not very great.

 
in retort to your plead for leniency with the guy above: sometimes i just come on a forum ready to slap someone that goes out of their way to appear more learned than the next person.
Yes! As a result I'd like to point out that you made the greatest of initial impressions treating most all others present in exactly this fashion! Hypocrisy, anyone?

we both understand that forums are filled to the gills with this type of person. sound-off competitions are slam full of them. the louder the competition, the heavier the jackass is doing the talking (from my experience). to have someone that posts something as ill informed enough to blatantly mock me, sharing the truth, whether or not he or she understands that it IS in-fact truth aside, gets me just a tad riled up. from a resting heart rate of 49bpm, i may have reached 55. humor is in my spinal fluid and i can catch humors from dry to transparent. it comes down to the fact that i am not on any forum to try and build a pedestal for myself. there are plenty of people on forums that do just that and only that. it's a self-esteem thing. people that get run over all day long and take it out on a board and any near-by newbies. like a cop that was a high school nerd. caustic when you give him a gun ya know. i think i'll apologize when that person prints that he now understands FACT and apologizes for the attempted berating of a new member.
I understand that apparently you have a better working knowledge of electrical theory than I do. It's no secret to most here that I am both a Kenwood eXcelon and a Diamond Audio loyalist. As a result I spend a good deal of time at my local DAT dealer jawjacking with the manager (nice fella to shoot the sh*t with). Spending time there (and having spent a couple of coins there previously) gives me the opportunity to play around with the display gear. I cannot make any comparisons to other well-known SQ subs with no direct experience with them but I know this: A DAT TDX/D9 (inarguably one of the better SQ subs on the market currently) isn't guilty of having a limp suspension, a loose suspension, or a weak motor by most standards and the portion of your original post wherein this is discussed (SQ subs in general, not the DATs specifically) struck me wrong. I saw it as erroneous information then and I continue to do so.

 
that is simply the way you take it, because you are constantly on the defensive. you should try reading "the course in miracles". brighten that up real quick like.
you my friend.....have just be pwnt, prowler just pwnt you on the lil loosemotors limp suspension theory you had going on

 
Stones: each sub works separately in that fashion, it just comes down to how many coils are attached physically to one piston. so you can infact wire one sub to another or 10 more and other than working with the coupling factors in regards to enclosure volume equivalence to compliance, and it will only effectively change the sound via the higher or lower output impedance of the amplifier and it's slew rates, damping etc. etc. and their effect on the sound of the system. most of my customers don't walk in the door with the ability to differentiate slop from source-true performance, as is the same with most system designers and their customers. If i can get a setup to 4ohms versus 1ohm with the same output to the ears of my customer, that's what i'll do. this is in regards to the fact that MOST 1ohm D class amplifiers can't control themselves, much less control a sub or quantity of subs in a vented enclosure. btw, i vent whenever possible. free spl, just years of recording the outcome has given us a database of what certain enclosure types and tuning frequencies will do in a given type of car. there would be guys that'd jump all over a post saying that we built an enclosure tuned to 45Hz for daily driving for a customer that loves to pound out 32Hz notes all day. they would not get the fact that that enclosure goes 5" away from the rear wall with a 2" equivalent loading chamber for the front of the subwoofer which will effectively expand our frequency response down another 10Hz +/- 2dB in that Ford Taurus.

 
Stones: each sub works separately in that fashion, it just comes down to how many coils are attached physically to one piston. so you can infact wire one sub to another or 10 more and other than working with the coupling factors in regards to enclosure volume equivalence to compliance, and it will only effectively change the sound via the higher or lower output impedance of the amplifier and it's slew rates, damping etc. etc. and their effect on the sound of the system. most of my customers don't walk in the door with the ability to differentiate slop from source-true performance, as is the same with most system designers and their customers. If i can get a setup to 4ohms versus 1ohm with the same output to the ears of my customer, that's what i'll do. this is in regards to the fact that MOST 1ohm D class amplifiers can't control themselves, much less control a sub or quantity of subs in a vented enclosure. btw, i vent whenever possible. free spl, just years of recording the outcome has given us a database of what certain enclosure types and tuning frequencies will do in a given type of car. there would be guys that'd jump all over a post saying that we built an enclosure tuned to 45Hz for daily driving for a customer that loves to pound out 32Hz notes all day. they would not get the fact that that enclosure goes 5" away from the rear wall with a 2" equivalent loading chamber for the front of the subwoofer which will effectively expand our frequency response down another 10Hz +/- 2dB in that Ford Taurus.
Understood, thanks.

 
taken from their web site:

TDX Technology TM

Kevlar/Nomex Driver and Neodymium Magnet

Type: Bass Driver

Size: 12 in.

Power Handling NOM/MAX: 800/1600 watts

Sensitivity (2.83V/1m): 86.5 dB SPL

Freq. Response: 20-250

Mounting Depth/Diameter: 8 in. / 11.1 in.

now i'd like to highlight 86.5dB SPL 1w/1m.

How do we achieve this....... low motor strength in regards to it's suspension compliance. you will come across the same answer if you ask DAT what their BL product is on that subwoofer. every one of them will have a trade off and their slightly more firm suspension is simply due to the fact that they want the subwoofer to handle what is it.....800wrms of input. the problem is this, they do it with glue. it is a single or dual spider system at most with a higher resin content. that comes off as you play it, the louder you play it the faster the glue goes bye bye. the initial blanket statement of loose suspensions and weak motors was generally pointing in the direction of JL Audio products. whom most users consider to produce "SQ" products. and as far as SQ drivers go, to reproduce SQ level performance....95dB average with 105dB peaks, we can compare the TDX to the lesser W6's and the such as most people can't tell the difference at low volume. But, with that suspension, being stiffer than it's counterpart JL offering, it will need more input power to reproduce the same effect. we can both agree on this?

 
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