Senate passes 800 billion dollar stimulus without 1 member readind the actual bill!!!

Anyway you want to cut it Canaduh depends on US more...If not PROVE IT as I already looked up all I need to see there
This is a fine example of what I'm talking about: Canaduh. Anyone who is not from the US is inferior or incorrect.

As I said above, economically we depend on the US to buy our commodities....but in a world ending situation, we have the resources necessary for our population...the US doesn't. I don't know why you keep arguing otherwise. I guess the US carries trade deficits with Canada and Mexico because they don't need them for anything.

NAFTA just made it easier and in my area losing easily 5k jobs proves my point and those jobs went directly to another country. Not every state in the US relies on automotive as other states. Michigan, Ohio and Indiana depended on automotive.
Your point proves that those jobs were lost. It does not prove that there was a net employment loss as a result of NAFTA, or that there was a net negative impact on the US economy because of NAFTA. It certainly does not prove that the recession is a result of NAFTA, as was argued earlier.

Self centered? Aid I am talking is donated for food and humanitarian needs not weapons trade or loans and it is not based off of GNP figures. Until the crap hit the fan we were getting ready to send 85 billion to africa over 15 years. I also hardly call taking care of your own until you are able to better take care of others self centered. It doesn't do the world 1 bit of good to delaying economic recovery. The way you paint the picture America is ****ed if they do or don't. My whole way of thinking is help if we can, if not then we need to take care of OURSELVES. Let me put it another way, would you try to run a marathon on 2 broken legs or would you wait until you were healed? If you had 4 kids you couldn't afford would you have more kids?..ect ect ect.
If someone needs to take care of themselves first, why are you criticizing less wealthy countries for not helping the US during Katrina?

BTW, China donates food and money specifically for food (not just weapons or loans). In 2008 they sent more than $5 billion for food aid. It is well understood internationally that China has led the way on food aid in Africa....but again, you only see things through your tiny peephole.

Now it seems your new argument is that the US needs to be more self-centered during this economic challenge (whereas your previous argument was that the US gives aid but receives a disproportionate amount during a time when there was not a significant economic challenge). I agree that the faster the US economy recovers, the faster the global economy recovers, but this recovery isn't going to come from protectionist thinking because it can't.

The reason I am skeptical about the US is the same reason I'm skeptical about the planet: too many people, not enough resources (at our current rates, at our current standard of living).

 
This is a fine example of what I'm talking about: Canaduh. Anyone who is not from the US is inferior or incorrect.
As I said above, economically we depend on the US to buy our commodities....but in a world ending situation, we have the resources necessary for our population...the US doesn't. I don't know why you keep arguing otherwise. I guess the US carries trade deficits with Canada and Mexico because they don't need them for anything.

Your point proves that those jobs were lost. It does not prove that there was a net employment loss as a result of NAFTA, or that there was a net negative impact on the US economy because of NAFTA. It certainly does not prove that the recession is a result of NAFTA, as was argued earlier.

If someone needs to take care of themselves first, why are you criticizing less wealthy countries for not helping the US during Katrina?

BTW, China donates food and money specifically for food (not just weapons or loans). In 2008 they sent more than $5 billion for food aid. It is well understood internationally that China has led the way on food aid in Africa....but again, you only see things through your tiny peephole.

Now it seems your new argument is that the US needs to be more self-centered during this economic challenge (whereas your previous argument was that the US gives aid but receives a disproportionate amount during a time when there was not a significant economic challenge). I agree that the faster the US economy recovers, the faster the global economy recovers, but this recovery isn't going to come from protectionist thinking because it can't.

The reason I am skeptical about the US is the same reason I'm skeptical about the planet: too many people, not enough resources (at our current rates, at our current standard of living).
It's America's fault:laugh: If my area lost 10k jobs that paid 40k + and were replaced with jobs at home depot and wal mart how the hell do you figure my area improved due to NAFTA? Are you confused by what I am saying or are you trying to say Indiana is like California and Ohio is like Deleware? I didn't even talk about the electronics jobs lost in my area....those were lost to NAFTA as well:laugh: When those businesses left more retail went in but on an hourly wage retail sucks vs production. $10 bucks an hour is a far cry from what many of those jobs lost paid. So prove me wrong from your books or internet...I live here you don't. I hear more Americans wanting to get rid of NAFTA and when that happens all I hear about is Canada and Mexico whine..If what you say is true everyone should whine. According to what I just read 3/4 of your exports come to America. Hell a large portion of the lumber you export is alread American logs that you process and export back to the US again taking more American jobs //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 
Canada is full of resources that the US requires. You can forget about everything else and just look at energy: oil, natural gas, or uranium. These protectionist ideas are simply impossible for a country that killed itself with consumption.
exactly

fresh water should be added to that list as well.

 
Any kansas folk in here?

Im wonderin what you think about not getting ur tax returns.....cause ur state cant afford to even pay them back to you..... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 
Fresh water is not near as much of a problem as the media up here wants you to believe. Still a strong asset for Canada, but it is way down on the list.

By the way, Canada has had complaints about NAFTA for years and years. Issues range from limitations enforced by the Chapter 11, to the softwood lumber dispute, to the inability to stem the sale of our resources.

Tell me: how many of you who reside in the US talk to people from Canada and Mexico (aside from me)? Do you read any of our newspapers?

 
i guess investors don't like overbearing governments. we just went from a severe non-regulator, to a liberal spending, control freak government.
It was deregulated before Bush ever arrived and the dems refused to get it regulated..even after what clinton said in 2000....

 
i guess investors don't like overbearing governments. we just went from a severe non-regulator, to a liberal spending, control freak government.
Here in Canada, we are such evil regulators that none of our banks are in trouble. We and Spain have pretty much the best banking systems on the planet right now.

Your government *****ed when Obama said he was going to look at making it more balanced LOL
Yes, because that was our wonderful conservative Prime Minister who has approval ratings of just over 30% right now.

 
It was deregulated before Bush ever arrived and the dems refused to get it regulated..even after what clinton said in 2000....
In which of Bush's years did they vote on a bill for further regulation? You play the Democrat blame-game so nicely!

 
It was deregulated before Bush ever arrived and the dems refused to get it regulated..even after what clinton said in 2000....
bush was a de-regulator. the republicans did have some in congress ringing the bell. mccain was actually one of them. before the presidential season. neither the dems nor bush listened.

 
In which of Bush's years did they vote on a bill for further regulation? You play the Democrat blame-game so nicely!
2003 and 2005 Clinton signed in S 900 in 1999:laugh: S 900 is the amended deregulation bill that Pelosi, Biden, Frank, Dodd all voted for //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 
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