Senate passes 800 billion dollar stimulus without 1 member readind the actual bill!!!

[johnbubby5]

so how much we gonna get????

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I know in Ohio, Michigan and Indiana they lost a few part suppliers for the automotive industry. I know of at least 4 factories within a 30 mile radious that closed and each one had a few houndred to a 1000 workers.

Where did the factory go? US companies are beginning to learn that mexicans **** *** at factory labor.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Where did the factory go? US companies are beginning to learn that mexicans **** *** at factory labor.

I know Eaton closed and the jobs went to Mexico (automotive leaf springs) my sister worked there until it closed, Foamex moved automotive foam production to a new plant in Mexico (1 shift and a few workers lost their jobs there).... Dana closed a few plants and lost jobs to Mexico. http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081111/BIZ/811110301/-1/BIZ09&template=printart

I could go on and on and on and on but I do not feel like arguing with keyboard comandoes trying to tell me what the reality is and was around my area, when infact just the way they talk shows they have no idea what happened. Other jobs came back but they were lower paying.....I guess I would need to prove that too huh?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif We have iron ore, oil, lead, coal, and lumber our government does not let get processed and 30-40% at least of our farm land does not get used because the govenment would rather pay farmers to just let things sit. Its alllll a power play so the rich can buy foreign stuff cheaper and sell it for more proffit. Does NOT matter who is running the show either DEM or Rep. Only difference is Dems seem to think 4.50 a gallon "cleaner" burning less efficient ethanol is GREEN when infact the process of making it with corn overall is dirtier than gas, not including what heavy corn production does to the land and water ways plus what it does to the rest of the grain markets. I do not need a book or the internet to tell me when factories leave...we have 2 factories totally empty within the last 9 months IN MY town that I will guarantee closed due to a factory in another country taking over THEIR old production. 1 made aluminum engine parts the other made steel coils. We would have lost another but another Steel processing plant bought the building and hired about 3/4ths of the people who worked there before to only work 2-4 days a week now.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Verified statistics, please. Anecdotes mean nothing to me.

Your questioning of EVERYTHING is more anecdotal...Is Canada it's own planet now?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Your questioning of EVERYTHING is more anecdotal...Is Canada it's own planet now?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

His questioning of everything is Candadian...don't give them more credit than they deserve. It's more about Socrates and questioning everything in search for the truth.

I still stand behind my statement about moving labor to Mexico. It's short-run rationale by poor management. The productivity of those plants are much less than US. In the long run, I have strong belief they will come back to the US.

As far as other jobs coming back at lower pay, that is what is supposed to happen. Economists by definition are amoral. I can't say losing 1,000 jobs, moving to Mexico, coming back at half pay is right or wrong. It is what it is. Managment's duty is to enhance the wealth of the shareholders. Higher taxes and protectionists policy force management to do more with less.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

His questioning of everything is Candadian...don't give them more credit than they deserve. It's more about Socrates and questioning everything in search for the truth.

I still stand behind my statement about moving labor to Mexico. It's short-run rationale by poor management. The productivity of those plants are much less than US. In the long run, I have strong belief they will come back to the US.

I don't know how those places are doing. So I really can not say one way or the other...It's not like many of those places even have a voice to be heard from in my area anymore.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I don't know how those places are doing. So I really can not say one way or the other...It's not like many of those places even have a voice to be heard from in my area anymore.

What voice? They want to stand up against economic theory? I am not sure what that voice is? Does that voice want the government to guarentee full employment?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

meaning there is noone in my area that would or could know how those factories are doing now.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

meaning there is noone in my area that would or could know how those factories are doing now.

Specific factories, it would be hard to collect such data. Some can be teased out of annual reports. There is some international stats here and there...no, I don't have links. They are industry reports we get in class that my school pays for. Unfortunately, this info isn't free.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

I'm not sure how people can argue so affirmatively for 100% free market when we have so many crooks and people who time and time again take advantage of and **** the rest of us to make money. We may as well just make the literal act of **** and murder legal and call it the free market.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I'm not sure how people can argue so affirmatively for 100% free market when we have so many crooks and people who time and time again take advantage of and **** the rest of us to make money. We may as well just make the literal act of **** and murder legal and call it the free capitalist market.

2003-2005 democrats swore on the holy grail that there was nothing wrong with the housing industry.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif MANY of which held positions in banking and financing committees. The highest ranking senate member for doing so Chris Dodd is about to be sent away for illegal activity with a mortgage company...Most all of the twits that turned their backs to the situation back then are in power now, spending YOUR money trying to fix it. If they were so corrupt to recieve gifts and huge campaign donations to turn their backs on a known problem, what makes you think those clowns are going to fix it now? Some Democrats laughed at and *****ed at the regulators there is a bunch of video footage of it! They even said Franklin Raines did an "excellent job":laugh:

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

2003-2005 democrats swore on the holy grail that there was nothing wrong with the housing industry.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif MANY of which held positions in banking and financing committees. The highest ranking senate member for doing so Chris Dodd is about to be sent away for illegal activity with a mortgage company...Most all of the twits that turned their backs to the situation back then are in power now, spending YOUR money trying to fix it. If they were so corrupt to recieve gifts and huge campaign donations to turn their backs on a known problem, what makes you think those clowns are going to fix it now? Some Democrats laughed at and *****ed at the regulators there is a bunch of video footage of it! They even said Franklin Raines did an "excellent job":laugh:

You seem to be under the impression that I strongly affiliate myself with the democratic party

I don't really at all, rather, I have quite a few views that are in line with republican agenda as well.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

You seem to be under the impression that I strongly affiliate myself with the democratic party
I don't really at all, rather, I have quite a few views that are in line with republican agenda as well.

What I said had 0 to do with your affiliations, it is a fact!

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

"We have resources our government doesn't let us use."

Yes, but not enough to sustain the US until renewable energy networks are in place.

"I know factories have closed to move elsewhere."

So do I. Everyone knows that the US is not the producer it once was. All I'm asking is some sort of intellectual argument that can place the blame at the feet of NAFTA, specifically.

"Your questioning of EVERYTHING is more anecdotal...Is Canada it's own planet now?"

??? I should clarify that I don't question EVERYTHING....I do question unproven (or unprovable) assertions that are presented as fact.

Flip, I swear you spell Canada wrong every time.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

What I said had 0 to do with your affiliations, it is a fact!

Right, but these facts are all completely irrelevant to what I said and asked, you're just telling me who's corrupt (everyone realistically...)

lol @ "candadian"