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[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

If this was the case then why do contries that have socialized medicine have better health care than the United States?

I am willing to bet, and even Devil Driver agrees, that the US is less healthier as a nation than those other countries.

If you have a country with 1/3 of its citizens obese along with hundreds of other ailments due to a lack of health awareness/consciosness, then of course medical expenses are going to be higher.

I wonder how Canada's or Finland, etc would fair if nearly half it's people were sick already. I don't see how socialized medicine is going to addess the underlying causes of sickness (mainly poor eating habits and sedintary lifestyle). I have never been to Canada, but I wonder what is the ratio of fast food resturants to grocery stores? Hell, I read an article where Detroit has very very few grocery stores. Well, the people have to eat and they are going to eat fast food. Do you think that will help or hurt their medical condition.

Healthcare, imo, is not the end of the chain, but something that adds value throughout one's life.

 

[Mike465 10+ year member]

5 out of 51 hospitals in th UK didnt pass health codes and were not sanitary.
Its not selfish, I AM NOT GOING TO PAY FOR A BUM OR SOMEONE NOT MOTIVATED ENOUGH TO GO TO SCHOOL AND PAY FOR THEIR OWN SHIT.

It is not a right to have healthcare, it is a privelage.

It has nothing to do with if someone went to school or not. What if you were to fall very ill and you lost your job and you no longer had money to pay for health insurance and the illness you have is life threathing and you will die unless you get mediacl attention. So is it far that you should die because you do not have the money to afford the medical help you need?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

It has nothing to do with if someone went to school or not. What if you were to fall very ill and you lost your job and you no longer had money to pay for health insurance and the illness you have is life threathing and you will die unless you get mediacl attention. So is it far that you should die because you do not have the money to afford the medical help you need?

It's easy to say yes, they should die. But in practice, it's not so easy. However, if they go to a hospital they will get care. They can get treated and it will be expensive, but they can pay over time.

 

[Mike465 10+ year member]

I am willing to bet, and even Devil Driver agrees, that the US is less healthier as a nation than those other countries.
If you have a country with 1/3 of its citizens obese along with hundreds of other ailments due to a lack of health awareness/consciosness, then of course medical expenses are going to be higher.

I wonder how Canada's or Finland, etc would fair if nearly half it's people were sick already. I don't see how socialized medicine is going to addess the underlying causes of sickness (mainly poor eating habits and sedintary lifestyle). I have never been to Canada, but I wonder what is the ratio of fast food resturants to grocery stores? Hell, I read an article where Detroit has very very few grocery stores. Well, the people have to eat and they are going to eat fast food. Do you think that will help or hurt their medical condition.

Healthcare, imo, is not the end of the chain, but something that adds value throughout one's life.

That all has to deal with choices we make as individuals. Socialized medicine is not going change this problem it is so that everyone in this country rich or poor can sll have health care. Yes, we will have to pay taxes for this but with insurance companies no longer in the picture medical costs will drop. You will be paying less with socialized medicine than you are right now with private insurance compaines

 

[Mike465 10+ year member]

It's easy to say yes, they should die. But in practice, it's not so easy. However, if they go to a hospital they will get care. They can get treated and it will be expensive, but they can pay over time.

This is true but there are hospitals that will trun down people because they do not have insurance but why should we as Americans have to spend the rest of our lives in debt just so we can stay alive. Why do you think so many people up nrth go into Canada for heatlh care?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

That all has to deal with choices we make as individuals. Socialized medicine is not going change this problem it is so that everyone in this country rich or poor can sll have health care. Yes, we will have to pay taxes for this but with insurance companies no longer in the picture medical costs will drop. You will be paying less with socialized medicine than you are right now with private insurance compaines

I will be paying less, but I will also be getting less. There is no way you can convince me that I can enjoy all the benefits I get now for less money. The math simply doesn't work.

Like I said before...if I can pay a couple extra thousand dollars and enjoy my pick of Dr then that's okay with me. I am not certain how long I'd be able to keep this plan the way the bill is currently written.

WHy is it wrong that I am willing to pay a couple grand a year so that I can get an appointment with my Dr within 2 weeks. I am not sure I will enjoy that luxury under a universale system. I am willing and able to pay more for that convienance.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

This is true but there are hospitals that will trun down people because they do not have insurance but why should we as Americans have to spend the rest of our lives in debt just so we can stay alive. Why do you think so many people up nrth go into Canada for heatlh care?

I am willing to spend the rest of my life in debt for the things I want.

 

[TreyE 10+ year member]

It has nothing to do with if someone went to school or not. What if you were to fall very ill and you lost your job and you no longer had money to pay for health insurance and the illness you have is life threathing and you will die unless you get mediacl attention. So is it far that you should die because you do not have the money to afford the medical help you need?

If you had medical insurance and fell ill you wouldn't lose your job because of it. Or you could sue for unfair dismissal.

But yes I believe that is fair. Not a lot of things are fair in life. Life sucks then you die. You earn your privelages throughout life, and Ill be ****ed if Im going to pay taxes for someone else to sit on their *** smoke cigs and eat shitty just so they can go sit on their *** some more and get free health care.

Where is the will to succeed if everything is free? There isnt.

 

[TreyE 10+ year member]

did anyone hear Obama talking about the diversity in medical schools?

thats another subject i dont wanna get started on just wondering...its fcking bullshit

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

If you had medical insurance and fell ill you wouldn't lose your job because of it. Or you could sue for unfair dismissal.
But yes I believe that is fair. Not a lot of things are fair in life. Life sucks then you die. You earn your privelages throughout life, and Ill be ****ed if Im going to pay taxes for someone else to sit on their *** smoke cigs and eat shitty just so they can go sit on their *** some more and get free health care.

Where is the will to succeed if everything is free? There isnt.

I am not sure everyone smokes and sits on their ***...I am sure some have just caught bad breaks and have otherwise been good people. I am not sure how to help them. In my community, we often hold raffles and fund raisers to assist in their medical care and that seems to help some.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

did anyone hear Obama talking about the diversity in medical schools?
thats another subject i dont wanna get started on just wondering...its fcking bullshit

One way to make more doctors is to lower the bar.

 

[TreyE 10+ year member]

I am not sure everyone smokes and sits on their ***...I am sure some have just caught bad breaks and have otherwise been good people. I am not sure how to help them. In my community, we often hold raffles and fund raisers to assist in their medical care and that seems to help some.

I know that but I am not going to pay for people who do not take care of their body. I am not obligated to their health. Its just ridiculous to say that we should be responsible for paying for other peoples well being, they need to earn that not get it handed to them for free. Not to mention all the illegal aliens who would be getting the services that didnt pay taxes.

One way to make more doctors is to lower the bar.

One way to make shitty doctors is to lower the bar. His speech wasn't particularly about lowering the bar either, it was to diversify, which is bullshit IMO. He's just trying to get more black people to be doctors. What would happen if a WHITE president said he would give more funding to medical schools with more white people. That would go over well:crazy:

 

[Mike465 10+ year member]

If you had medical insurance and fell ill you wouldn't lose your job because of it. Or you could sue for unfair dismissal.
But yes I believe that is fair. Not a lot of things are fair in life. Life sucks then you die. You earn your privelages throughout life, and Ill be ****ed if Im going to pay taxes for someone else to sit on their *** smoke cigs and eat shitty just so they can go sit on their *** some more and get free health care.

Where is the will to succeed if everything is free? There isnt.

Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you all ready are. I guess it all boils down to that everyone is only looking out for themselves. I not going to continue this because you have your views and I have mine. I respect you for your views and I hope you do the same for me.

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

It has nothing to do with if someone went to school or not. What if you were to fall very ill and you lost your job and you no longer had money to pay for health insurance and the illness you have is life threathing and you will die unless you get mediacl attention. So is it far that you should die because you do not have the money to afford the medical help you need?

too vague besides thats not always the case. what if that person smoked for 40 years or ate like a pig now you have to paying for their voluntary damage. plus the unknown dmg done by the garbage food and unregulated supplements people take in. diet pills that make you stain your sheets i mean really. The kicker is the horrible infomercials they air about amputees because of smoking.. but breaking news.. they still smoke!!! go screw pigs!

 

[Mike465 10+ year member]

did anyone hear Obama talking about the diversity in medical schools?
thats another subject i dont wanna get started on just wondering...its fcking bullshit

Yep it is, just trying to make more racial issues. Medical schools are not turning down people because of their skin color.