Pioneer P9 Combo vs. Alpine H701/9861

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

1) When using the 9860/9861/or higher you only need 1 din opening (unless you intentionally purchase the double-din W200) since those units fully control the H700/H701
2) The DEQ-P9 can only be used with the P9 headunit. The H701/H700 can be used with any headunit and therefore implimented into any system. This is the only time you would need to use the C701 controller and take up 2 din slots (but, ofcourse, the C701 is only really needed for tuning and volume control when running digital...so if you are running analog you do not need to permanently mount the C701 once you have the H701 set to your liking)

Thats not really the point I was trying to make but thanks for the response anyway. I was responding to the guys that have 2 din units in their dashes. I was merely saying I like the idea of having only 1 din unit in my dash.

As for your second paragraph, I wouldn't buy the P9 deck without the P9 processor. Therefore I wouldn't need to implement the P9 processor into ANY system. I chose the P9 and that is what I'm going to use and am NOT worried if it will work with another headunit down the road. All in all, with flexibility aside the P9 will perform just as well as the 701 if not better. A PEQ is only useful if your vehicles interior acoustics need it. Other than that I see no reason why a dual 31 band graphic EQ couldn't do the job just fine.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[phish368 10+ year member]

Whats going on guys.. Thought I'd chime in here a lil bit. I have currently setup in my car the 9861 and 701. I'm running it digitally with the optical cable and I'm running the 701 as my active x-over for the fronts. I love it. Of course with any product there are always things that a person may not like. for example:

the 9861 can control the entire configuration of the 701 but its not easy to program by using the 9861. I decided after 3 weeks to go out an grab the RUX controller which made it 10 times easier to setup and control the 701.

As far as going active with the 701, its great. The amount of control it gives you for spliting up your fronts into tweeters (front 1) and mids (front 2), lets you set a perfect x-over and slope between them. It was a world of difference for me to go from passive to active on my JL VR650-csi's.

What else? I tend to use the parametric EQ over the 31-band eq because I like being able to adjust the 'slope' of frequencies I lift or remove. NOTE: you cant use both parametric and 31-band. Its either or. But that is really not a big problem at all.

Feel free to ask anything else that you might want or need to know about them.

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

I wish I could find a used one for sale...h701 with controller. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[phish368 10+ year member]

The 701 I got was a used model. I got it for 350 i believe but i was also spending money on the 9861 and 2 JL audio amps at the same time.

Have you tried Ebay?

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

NOTE: you cant use both parametric and 31-band. Its either or. But that is really not a big problem at all. Feel free to ask anything else that you might want or need to know about them.

Actually there is a "trick" to temporarily use both the parametric and graphic EQ's at the same time. Problem with this is once the unit powers down it loses the temporary setting.

Though it's a nice trick to temporarily set both for, say, a competition.

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

The 701 I got was a used model. I got it for 350 i believe but i was also spending money on the 9861 and 2 JL audio amps at the same time.
Have you tried Ebay?

they are selling around for $390 - $400 +Shipping //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif just for the h701

 

[phish368 10+ year member]

Meglomanic - it all depends upon how badly you want the unit. I wanted the unit because im the type of guy who is OCD and wants the time correction just right... lol

Squeak - whats the trick?

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

that's the thing I do want the unit, it be great for my carputer, but as of right now I have 2 options for 2 different needs. I can get a Zapco Referance 1100.1amplifier (modded by Zap) for the same amount as the the h701. Choices FTL.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

Meglomanic - it all depends upon how badly you want the unit. I wanted the unit because im the type of guy who is OCD and wants the time correction just right... lol
Squeak - whats the trick?

Play with the graphic EQ, once you get the sound you like, save it as a preset. Then tweak that preset using the parametric eq. If you save it again however, you only save what was in the memory of the parametric part. I got my h701/c701 for 490shipped. 500 on the dot if you include the cable to run it digi. I could have had it MUCH cheaper, but I got beat out of a deal at the last minute, still makes me sad. However, all of my equipment is brand new, never used...

 

[yischrax 10+ year member]

OK from looking at this thread I have learned a lot and makes me interested in the alpine. My question is people have been saying how they are running active. So can you run an active 3 way and use the rear as the midbass and dose it actually bandpass X-over the midbass or do you need to run another x over for one of the drivers still.

Also is there a great deal of difference between the 9860 and 9861 to be worth the extra cost. Found the 9861 on ebay for 400 but we all know how ebay sales go. Has any one had a problem with the 9860 or 9861 failing if so what were the faults. Just wondering if it is worth spending the difference and get from a store front for warranty reasons.

Thanks guys

when I was reading seemed like main difrences is v preouts on the 9860 is 2v not 4v and it dosen't have the ability to conect to the Bluetooth and the I pod adapters. But if your using a h701 it will have 4v preouts anyways.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

So can you run an active 3 way and use the rear as the midbass and dose it actually bandpass X-over the midbass or do you need to run another x over for one of the drivers still.

The H701 will bandpass the front1, front2 and rear outputs. So yes, you can bandpass the midbass aswell.

Also is there a great deal of difference between the 9860 and 9861 to be worth the extra cost.

The 9861 will play DVD-Audio, whereas the 9860 will not.

Also, Crutchfield was having a sale on the 9860 for $299 w/ free shipping (and full manufacturer warranty)