Pioneer P9 Combo vs. Alpine H701/9861

[pwnt by pat 10+ year member]

I picked up the alpine (9860) for these reasons:

cosmetically it's much cleaner

gives me all the settings up front(p9 does this also)

mp3 cd/dvd / regular dvd

price - I piced up teh 9860 and h701 for less than 700.

I've had many issues with pioneer products in the past so I stay away from them whenever I can.

edit bty: I'll be using the h701 for 3-way, not 4 or 5.1

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

I picked up the alpine (9860) for these reasons:
cosmetically it's much cleaner

gives me all the settings up front(p9 does this also)

mp3 cd/dvd / regular dvd

price - I piced up teh 9860 and h701 for less than 700.

I've had many issues with pioneer products in the past so I stay away from them whenever I can.

It just shows you how funny luck can be. I've had nothing but GREAT LUCK with Pioneer products. Its not to say they have been great for everyone (you are an example of that) but their products work for me. I've tried Alpine back in the 90s and didn't care for the sound of their decks. Tried Eclipse next, liked the sound but had to send it in 4 times before the 3 year waranty expired so I said to hell with that. Went back to Pioneer in the late 90s and haven't looked back since.

One thing I would like to see with all the major mfgs is an industy standard for optical digital interface. Home audio did it, so why can't car audio.?? I know what they're thinking but they're ALL shooting themselves in the foot.

For example, this is just hypothetically speaking. Here's a scenario.

Say I have an Alpine deck and really like it and want active processing. But I don't like the H701 at all and would like to run a Pioneer ACTIVE processor with it but don't want to run analog from the deck to the processor. If there was an industry standard I could do this. Alpine is thinking since I have an Alpine deck they have me roped in so I can't buy a Pioneer processor.

However, what if I had Pioneer deck and wanted a H701 to run with it. Most consumers ( me included) will NOT go out and buy a new Alpine deck just to be able to run an Alpine processor so they in effect screwed themselves out of a sale of an H701 because there is NO industry standard of optical digital connections.

-end rant

 

[pwnt by pat 10+ year member]

I think it's better this way because I believe it would be next to impossible to allow for the same functionality in decks to be able to control this. Plus, the processor control is only on a LIMITED amount of decks. They'd all have to use the same control cable, and whose would they choose and why?

Alpine made it that if you want to use another deck, you get the rux-c701. I'm not justifying the price for it, however the option IS out there.

I bought the alpine deck because I NEEDED a new deck. It just made sense ($) to me to get a deck that can control the 701 as opposed to say an old model alpine with optical out and the rux controller.

edit: Perhaps I'm misunderstanding. I was under the assumption that all of the optical signals were the same and you were complaining about the control cables/abilities of the decks and processors.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

haha i can get a deal p9 combo for 650 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/woot.gif.aaa6090e619a97b6090d16dd863c5a69.gif
but like ng said biggest thing ive noticed between the 2 is that the h701 is a bit more user frienly than p9 combo

Where???

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

I've been reading alot of your posts in these VS threads and everytime Pioneer is involved you are against Pioneer. Not saying thats a bad thing as we are ALL entitled to our opinions but you seem to HATE Pioneer too much to give an unbiased opinion. In other words, lay off the hatorade biaaaaaaatch.!!
J/K on the biaaatch part.

I could say the EXACT same thing about you and Alpine...

You a PIONEER WH0RE... that's all there is to it.

I enjoy Alpine, Eclipse, Clarion... at the moment I own Alpine, a 2004 model. I sure wouldn't own a regular CD Deck from the 2006 line-up... unless it was for a deck with inexpensive iPod hookup....

nG

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

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[adam71 5,000+ posts]

I think it's better this way because I believe it would be next to impossible to allow for the same functionality in decks to be able to control this. Plus, the processor control is only on a LIMITED amount of decks. They'd all have to use the same control cable, and whose would they choose and why?
edit: Perhaps I'm misunderstanding. I was under the assumption that all of the optical signals were the same and you were complaining about the control cables/abilities of the decks and processors.

I was talking ONLY about the transmission of the digital signal but when you bring up the point of controlling the processor I now see this would make it much more difficult. Even on the P9 combo where you have an optical digital cable for the signal you still have to connect the units via P-bus to be able to control the processor.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

I could say the EXACT same thing about you and Alpine...
You a PIONEER WH0RE... that's all there is to it.

I enjoy Alpine, Eclipse, Clarion... at the moment I own Alpine, a 2004 model. I sure wouldn't own a regular CD Deck from the 2006 line-up... unless it was for a deck with inexpensive iPod hookup....

nG

Not really, I really like the new higher end Alpine units....but ONLY the high end ones. The F1 deck and the external converter look great and I bet sound really great.

As far as being a Pioneer whore?? My speakers are MTX Black Gold. My active X-over is MTX. My Passive 3-way x-over are MB Quart. My eq is PPI. Other than that its ALL Pioneer Premier.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Not really, I really like the new higher end Alpine units....but ONLY the high end ones. The F1 deck and the external converter look great and I bet sound really great.
As far as being a Pioneer whore?? My speakers are MTX Black Gold. My active X-over is MTX. My Passive 3-way x-over are MB Quart. My eq is PPI. Other than that its ALL Pioneer Premier.

I'm saying you're a pioneer HU wh0re //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

But yeah, I'd love to get my hands on the F1 HU... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

nG

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

However, what if I had Pioneer deck and wanted a H701 to run with it. Most consumers ( me included) will NOT go out and buy a new Alpine deck just to be able to run an Alpine processor so they in effect screwed themselves out of a sale of an H701 because there is NO industry standard of optical digital connections.

FYI: the Alpine has standard Toslink (optical digital) and analog inputs, that can be used with any headunit on the market that has either non-proprietary digital output (coax to toslink convertors are cheap), or any deck that has atleast one analog RCA output. You can purchase the RUX-C701 for the H701 to control the unit.

So yes, you can add the H701 to your Pioneer headunit, you would just need the C701 controller.

 

[3.5Max6spd 10+ year member]

It just shows you how funny luck can be. I've had nothing but GREAT LUCK with Pioneer products. Its not to say they have been great for everyone (you are an example of that) but their products work for me. I've tried Alpine back in the 90s and didn't care for the sound of their decks. Tried Eclipse next, liked the sound but had to send it in 4 times before the 3 year waranty expired so I said to hell with that. Went back to Pioneer in the late 90s and haven't looked back since.
One thing I would like to see with all the major mfgs is an industy standard for optical digital interface. Home audio did it, so why can't car audio.?? I know what they're thinking but they're ALL shooting themselves in the foot.

For example, this is just hypothetically speaking. Here's a scenario.

Say I have an Alpine deck and really like it and want active processing. But I don't like the H701 at all and would like to run a Pioneer ACTIVE processor with it but don't want to run analog from the deck to the processor. If there was an industry standard I could do this. Alpine is thinking since I have an Alpine deck they have me roped in so I can't buy a Pioneer processor.

However, what if I had Pioneer deck and wanted a H701 to run with it. Most consumers ( me included) will NOT go out and buy a new Alpine deck just to be able to run an Alpine processor so they in effect screwed themselves out of a sale of an H701 because there is NO industry standard of optical digital connections.

-end rant

Adam, whats the lowest freq the front chs HP can go on the P9 in an active setup?

 

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[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Adam, whats the lowest freq the front chs HP can go on the P9 in an active setup?

There is no front or rear just high, mid, low and sub.

If you're talking about the tweeter the HP filter's range is from 1.6khz-20khz. The tweeter LP filter's range is 8khz to -20khz.

Mid is 200hz - 10khz hipass and 2khz - 20khz lowpass.

 

[pwnt by pat 10+ year member]

This thread is number 8 result on google for "alpine h701", quoting:

However, what if I had Pioneer deck and wanted a H701 to run with it. Most consumers ( me included) will NOT go out and buy a new Alpine deck just to be ...

Not my choice of quotes for this thread but whatever.... heh

 

[3.5Max6spd 10+ year member]

There is no front or rear just high, mid, low and sub.
If you're talking about the tweeter the HP filter's range is from 1.6khz-20khz. The tweeter LP filter's range is 8khz to -20khz.

Mid is 200hz - 10khz hipass and 2khz - 20khz lowpass.

So basically the P9 is handicapped for people who want to run horns as well, while the Alpine combo is limitless per ch.