Persuasive speech suggestions...

[Tiger Bass 5,000+ posts]

Why more traditional safety constraints in building roads is less safe.

I just read the book Traffic. Interesting stuff.

 

[deaf tones 10+ year member]

Wow I can defiantly tell already that even if I presented the facts, numbers, statistics, and cited sources you wouldn't listen.
So, I'm not going to bother.

I am just going to say one thing. Several of the articles and studies that I quoted talked about quality of work. In many of the offshore cases employees doing a task were better educated and more willing to undergo new training to better preform their job vs. their american counterpart. They also, had less 'sick days', a generally more productive plant, and the people showed they had a more competent understanding of the task they needed to complete.

So STFU... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

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Please, i emplore j00, present facts, numbers, statistics and cite sources.

This so-called American counterpart you type of, which areas did they represent, what plants did they work in and do they accurately depict American's on a whole?

I like the argument of sick day comparisons. It's also been proven that when a company combines all sick and vacation days into one lump sum dubbed as PTO, employees are rarely sick. When an employee is given "sick pay" and the thought process of the company is, "if you don't use it, you lose it," I can guaran****tee the employees will use it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

So that begs the question, chief, were these offshore companies giving their employees sick pay, PTO or no pay for sick days? That answer, in itself, pretty much debunks the overseas sick days vs american sick days argument.

As far as competent understanding of tasks they perform, it's the old American model in industrial type gigs to keep their employees ignorant. Venture outside of industrial type gigs into technical type gigs, companies, on a whole, reward intellectual advancement. At what point does that balance out? Better question, when outsourcing techy/engineering type gigs, does the same competence ration apply? Speaking of competence and outsourcing techy/engineering type gigs, what does it say about a product engineered overseas that tries to adhere to American/local specifications?

Oh and, um, this productive plants argument, please elaborate on how they were compared. If it's daily/monthly/yearly production versus hour per hour comparison, it's flawed. We have labor laws for a reason where as others do not. Of course a plant that requires 16 hour days with no lunch will produce more than an American plant. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

You're right, you shouldn't have bothered.

 

[Banana Balls 5,000+ posts]

Noah,

Sit tight for a few more posts and your speech will be written for you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

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Please, i emplore j00, present facts, numbers, statistics and cite sources.

This so-called American counterpart you type of, which areas did they represent, what plants did they work in and do they accurately depict American's on a whole?

I like the argument of sick day comparisons. It's also been proven that when a company combines all sick and vacation days into one lump sum dubbed as PTO, employees are rarely sick. When an employee is given "sick pay" and the thought process of the company is, "if you don't use it, you lose it," I can guaran****tee the employees will use it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

So that begs the question, chief, were these offshore companies giving their employees sick pay, PTO or no pay for sick days? That answer, in itself, pretty much debunks the overseas sick days vs american sick days argument.

As far as competent understanding of tasks they perform, it's the old American model in industrial type gigs to keep their employees ignorant. Venture outside of industrial type gigs into technical type gigs, companies, on a whole, reward intellectual advancement. At what point does that balance out? Better question, when outsourcing techy/engineering type gigs, does the same competence ration apply? Speaking of competence and outsourcing techy/engineering type gigs, what does it say about a product engineered overseas that tries to adhere to American/local specifications?

Oh and, um, this productive plants argument, please elaborate on how they were compared. If it's daily/monthly/yearly production versus hour per hour comparison, it's flawed. We have labor laws for a reason where as others do not. Of course a plant that requires 16 hour days with no lunch will produce more than an American plant. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

You're right, you shouldn't have bothered.

Like I said, why bother.

Basic findings were American workers are too expensive compared to their foreign counterpart.

Paid sick days, extensive days off, lack of general productivity, inflated wages, the list goes on and on.

It is obvious to see that you have never sat back and looked at things from a business's point of view.

Maybe you should try it sometime.

I looked in my archive folders to find my previous sources, but I took this class almost 1.5 years ago. So it is archived in a .rar or .tar file somewhere on one of my several back up drives. I really don't have time to search 580GB for a folder for you.

Sorry you just aren't that important to me.

 

[Banana Balls 5,000+ posts]

I really don't have time to search 580GB for a folder for you.
Sorry you just aren't that important to me.

But this is about Noah, not douchegurgle. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Noah,
Sit tight for a few more posts and your speech will be written for you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Lol...

nG

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Wow I can defiantly tell already that even if I presented the facts, numbers, statistics, and cited sources you wouldn't listen.
So, I'm not going to bother.

I am just going to say one thing. Several of the articles and studies that I quoted talked about quality of work. In many of the offshore cases employees doing a task were better educated and more willing to undergo new training to better preform their job vs. their american counterpart. They also, had less 'sick days', a generally more productive plant, and the people showed they had a more competent understanding of the task they needed to complete.

So STFU... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

An Econ prof once told us the story of a company who moved production from America down to Central America (IIRC) at hopes of cheap labor. Spent millions building the plant, etc. First day comes, and majority of the employees are seriously late to work....some 15 minutes, some hours, some just didn't show up. The company didn't realize that many of the employees hadn't ever worked a "standard" job before and didn't understand the concept of punctuality or "having" to be there at a certain time each and every day.

This discussion just reminded me of that story.

Carry on.

 

[deaf tones 10+ year member]

Like I said, why bother.
Basic findings were American workers are too expensive compared to their foreign counterpart.

Paid sick days, extensive days off, lack of general productivity, inflated wages, the list goes on and on.

It is obvious to see that you have never sat back and looked at things from a business's point of view.

Maybe you should try it sometime.

I looked in my archive folders to find my previous sources, but I took this class almost 1.5 years ago. So it is archived in a .rar or .tar file somewhere on one of my several back up drives. I really don't have time to search 580GB for a folder for you.

Sorry you just aren't that important to me.

Is it the American worker that is too expensive? Or the Union that supposedly represents them, too expensive?

On top of that, how can American tax rates compare to that of say, an up-and-coming country such as Dubai that will give an insane benefits package to moving operations to their soil? Better yet, how can American policies compare to that of a country that has none established, yet? Meaning pollution and production standards.

Side note - how is it possible that the companies that moved would sure

The last argument I can not put blame on the American worker. My blame lies solely on the American Hippies that rallied together to make those fvcktard policies. But I digress.

Actually, I do not digress. I just started warming up my keyboard. So the question is begged, if it's not the American worker that fuxed over the business in terms of union wages, fines for pollution and practicing out of what some Hippie *** Liberal approves of, why is the American Worker to blame? Shouldn't we be outsourcing Hippyism instead? To say, Canada?

It's obvious you make assumptions about the debator to avoid the actual topic at hand. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif When you grow into that ****** of yours come back and break bread wif tones and have an actual discussion like you've got half a twig and some shrivvled berries.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I'm now thinking about music distribution...
And how the music industry needs to re-think their methods and the RIAA needs to chill out... etc...

Most people don't mind paying for music... etc...

nG

Meh....that's old news. Been going on since the late '90s atleast. I'm sure the prof has heard the same persuasive speech a hundred times over. There would, however, be information all over the place.

 

[deaf tones 10+ year member]

PS - this is INTERWEB, interweb = SRSBSNS //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif

 

[Bun-Bun 10+ year member]

@ deaf tones

I hope you realize that nothing you have said has debunked his original topic and has actually only reinforced it...

You are debateing a different topic alltogether.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

I think I might do it on...

How physical music media is dying, and the solution is digital media...

How we need to navigate away from the CD and move towards mp3/flac data files...

nG

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

I dunno, might fly over people's heads...

Not sure on how solid it is...

nG

 

[deaf tones 10+ year member]

sick pay vs PTO argument = debunkage.

the topic is still 100% on track for his argument essentially punishes the American worker, labeling them as overpriced and lazy, when the issue may not lie with the worker, more the organization overlooking the workers. Not to mention the cost of American business considering taxes and penalties versus overseas business.

analytical thought, mawfukcer, do you use it.

 

[Banana Balls 5,000+ posts]

I dunno, might fly over people's heads...
Not sure on how solid it is...

nG

I don't think so. I'm probably the only oneI know that doesn't download music and that is just because I don't listen to it.