PC Builders -- Need Suggestions

[sue bee 10+ year member]

It's the ram helping then, not superfetch. If you are using up more then X% of the ram your page file will start to get used more so by putting in the more ram you are using the page file less and hence increasing performance. However if you dont actually use more then 4 gb of ram you can do the same thing by just disableing superfetch and virtual memory. I really wish you could set the virutal memory to only be used one the ram hits 90%. But no microsoft seems to thing that things need to be paged as early as 25% and somethings are paged by default unless you diable it alltogether.
do a comparison with superfetch off and superfetch on and then come back. (and turn off your pagefile/virutal memory)

I did notice some decreased load times in some applications. But as a whole my system was slower due to the constant disk thrashing off the page file and superfecth going at work... no thanks. The disk thrashing is really evident on laptops due to there lower HD performance. I couldn't figure out why so many people were coming to me complaing of poor performance on there laptop until I figured out the truth behind superfetch. they were complaining that with XP there laptop was fine but now with vista it takes forever to do even the most basic of task's. I disabled superfetch and everything was great.

Superfetch is only good for those users who only use the computer for certain things and thats all they do. Then superfetch can learn those things and cache/prefetch things appropriately. But for normal people who live dynamic lives there is no way for superfetch to predict what a user is going to use and just fills the ram up (in your case all 8gb's of it) with useless junk (wasting disk performance and power). And it litteraly doesnt stop... it just keeps going until the ram is full and even then it swaps stuff out as it sees fit... useless.

Hence, max out your RAM for performance (albeit not bang-for-the-buck). //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Bun-Bun 10+ year member]

Hence, max out your RAM for performance (albeit not bang-for-the-buck). //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

huh? Its not the ram performance slowing it down its the HD performance.

Expensive high performance ram offers very little improvement in real world applications/games. It's not like overclocking or buy faster CPU's/video cards.

 

[sue bee 10+ year member]

huh? Its not the ram performance slowing it down its the HD performance.
Expensive high performance ram offers very little improvement in real world applications/games. It's not like overclocking or buy faster CPU's/video cards.

Well what is gonna do get a raid setup? That's out of the question. He's also gonna get the fastest CPU he can afford, so that's easy. It'd be foolish to not get as much RAM as possible, as crude as it sounds. A video card isn't going to do anything unless you're gaming. For everyday use, a large memory bank and Vista will is better. Sure, a fast HDD doesn't hurt, or a CPU, but maxing out the room (with fast room) is a good idea for a number of reasons.

 

[Bun-Bun 10+ year member]

Well what is gonna do get a raid setup? That's out of the question. He's also gonna get the fastest CPU he can afford, so that's easy. It'd be foolish to not get as much RAM as possible, as crude as it sounds. A video card isn't going to do anything unless you're gaming. For everyday use, a large memory bank and Vista will is better. Sure, a fast HDD doesn't hurt, or a CPU, but maxing out the room (with fast room) is a good idea for a number of reasons.

Your previous post you stated performance not amount. He said he wanted to not spend a lot of money and 4gb kits are the best value right now. And you really don't need anymore then 4gb of ram with Vista 64bit. Even at work where I work with large 3D Models all day I still don't use up 4gb of ram.

the best way to gain memory performance is to buy enough ram for what you plan to do and disable superfetch and virtual memory.

 

[negativezeroz 5,000+ posts]

my final config has been edited in the original post

as far as this "superfetch" shit

My laptop has 4GB DDR2 w/ 64bit Ultimate and at most if I have left it on for like two days and using a single program for hours on end it MAY get to 2GB but once I close the program its back down to around 1.5GB

I'm sure I'll be with fine with 4GB @ 1066MHz and faster CPU, GPU, etc. w/ Premium 64bit

 

[Bun-Bun 10+ year member]

my final config has been edited in the original post
as far as this "superfetch" shit

My laptop has 4GB DDR2 w/ 64bit Ultimate and at most if I have left it on for like two days and using a single program for hours on end it MAY get to 2GB but once I close the program its back down to around 1.5GB

I'm sure I'll be with fine with 4GB @ 1066MHz and faster CPU, GPU, etc. w/ Premium 64bit

I am sure you will be fine too.

what price did you find on the 9800GT SC? or is there another reason you went with it then price?

Also you didn't answer why your sticking with AMD

 

[blackman 10+ year member]

maybe alk to mikeoftulsa......he builds comps i think

 

[negativezeroz 5,000+ posts]

I am sure you will be fine too.
what price did you find on the 9800GT SC? or is there another reason you went with it then price?

Also you didn't answer why your sticking with AMD

I found the 9800GT SC w/ Free Crysis game for $143.99 + shipping but since I'm buying the whole thing at once shipping is kinda void... I was gonna get a 8800GT but this 9800GT is faster (hence the overclocked part), like 6 bucks cheaper, and includes crysis

 

[Bun-Bun 10+ year member]

I found the 9800GT SC w/ Free Crysis game for $143.99 + shipping but since I'm buying the whole thing at once shipping is kinda void... I was gonna get a 8800GT but this 9800GT is faster (hence the overclocked part), like 6 bucks cheaper, and includes crysis

Nice. Yeah that is a good deal.

Good luck with the build.