North American Union? F*ck that

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

YES, but you'd have to prove you were there. Like write your name on a piece of paper and take a picture of you holding it on the moon...

How would you know the accuracy of the photograph?

What if I took you with me? Could you differentiate the moon from a similar sized rock?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

If I understand this right. Basically you support what benefits you the most...

Where you stand depends on where you sit.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

And you know this because you've done the research? Or because you're more inclined to judge the people coming up with the theory, rather than look at the theory itself and do the necessary research? Yeah, it's better to just take the blue pill.

Do you even know how to conduct proper research?

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I can't believe this thread is still going on. Who are "they" that you refer to that don't want these "truths" to be exposed? (truth = random people's ideas on the cesspool internet that I'm just supposed to accept as truth because I'm fighting the man and his truth) Also what good do you expect to accomplish by spreading all this "truth"?

Are you trying to make this world a better place, or are you just intrigued by it and find it an interesting way to pass your time? Do you honestly expect the google searching you do to have a positive impact on anybody's life, or is it just futile and solely for entertainment purposes?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I can't believe this thread is still going on. Who are "they" that you refer to that don't want these "truths" to be exposed? (truth = random people's ideas on the cesspool internet that I'm just supposed to accept as truth because I'm fighting the man and his truth) Also what good do you expect to accomplish by spreading all this "truth"?
Are you trying to make this world a better place, or are you just intrigued by it and find it an interesting way to pass your time? Do you honestly expect the google searching you do to have a positive impact on anybody's life, or is it just futile and solely for entertainment purposes?

I admit...I am being entertained.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I admit...I am being entertained.

Oh, its entertaining as a mf'r, just curious what cheese's goals are with his rants and theories. Besides trying to "spread the truth", what does he really expect all this conspiracy theory crap to accomplish for him or others...

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

You do have a point flip, but doing some research is better than doing none just because it would be "chasing a never ending tail". Also, what makes the government sources more accurate than any random website? The number of people who believe in the source is what makes it more reliable? To me, the truth is the truth, and it's absolutely subjective, based on the evidence we have. So the more evidence you have, the more closer to truth you get, subjectively.
So the research is still valuable.

Incorrect research is not valuable.

There is nothing inherently that makes a government source more reliable that that folks who you use to acquire information. But one must anchor somewhere. I chose to anchor with the BLS and a variety of other published indexes. You have to think SOMETHING is real/honest/etc or you can't conduct any research.

The number of people who believe it has nothing to do with reliability, but again, one must anchor expectations somewhere.

You have your evidence, I have mine. The problem is, I find great difficulty in believing in the validity of your evidence. It is just talking, it isn't attempting to prove anything. At least it could cite some examples that can be proven/disproven. The science I believe in does this. They offer an explanation and then hope others contest the theory in hopes of advancing the theory. They don't dismiss it has hogwash and further coverups.

Still, if you start off in the wrong direction with research, you may never get to the truth.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Basically, if I can convert even one person into doing research himself into finding out the truth rather than just believe the government or the media, then I am achieving something worthwhile (to me).

I still don't see how your sources are so much better than mine? You act as if your sources do not have an agenda. At least I know and admit mine do.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

And you know this because you've done the research? Or because you're more inclined to judge the people coming up with the theory, rather than look at the theory itself and do the necessary research? Yeah, it's better to just take the blue pill.

Of course I make a determination about whether I am even going to consider a theory based on who is presenting that theory and whether common sense says that it is complete bullsit. For example, based on what I have learned about you in this thread I would be skeptical of anything that you said that did not immediately make sense.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Basically, if I can convert even one person into doing research himself into finding out the truth rather than just believe the government or the media, then I am achieving something worthwhile (to me).

And this improves your quality of life, or the quality of life of others how?

Conspiracy theorists act like their "truths" are so important, the ony thing it is important for is their own hobby and wasting their time and that of others.

If this is just a hobby to you I can dig that, we all need ways to entertain ourselves. If you think what you are doing is actually going to change anything, then I start to have some concerns.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

If you are the eyewitness, how do you know what you saw? Is it not possible for it to be an illusion? You ever watch court TV? How can 5 eye-witnesses have 5 different accounts of what transpired? Obvioulsy some of them are wrong.