nobody likes rockford fosgate??

Do you know if they plan on trying to mass produce the t15k? By that I mean available through retail channels.
nope they dont PLAN to make them in mass quantities......ive heard 50, then 10, then 20 but im pretty sure only 18 are out.

Thing is, if you have 25 grand burning a hole, they will hand build you one and it will arrive at your house on a pallet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
I hadnt used Rockford for over 10 years, cause I was disappointed with the series of amps they came out with. I loved the Punch 75 and 150 before that. I have been reading alot of good reviews for the T series amp. I finally bought a t10001.bd that replaced my RD 1750.1d. Only paid $250 shipped for it used. I been running it for about 2 weeks now on a set of RE SE12's and I gotta say, it puts out every bit of power that the RD 1750.1 did. Runs cool and doesnt dim my lights too bad. I am very happy and will probably get one for my truck now. Cant vouch for the subs though.
YES, that t1000.1bd is a powerful amp and for the price I think its a fair deal. I have 2 of those in my truck and I could testify to that.

 
I love it when there are arguments about amps and specific impedance load use, and no one mentions impedance rise //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
I was thinking the same thing when they were bringing up the .5 and .7 numbers...definitely at or above 1ohm after imp rise.

 
I'm starting to wonder if you guys even know the amp you're so proud of....

First, look at the RF literature. The Hybrid Technology is predominantly described as a current-averaging system. In case the diction doesn't make it clear, the T15K draws less peak current by drawing more current during low output, which is then stored in the capacitors for use during high output.

As already noted, the T15K does not have efficiency greater than 100%. Power (energy over time) output cannot exceed power input. During low demand, the amplifier actually has a negative efficiency (relative to output). The energy stored in the capacitors during this period means you get extremely high efficiency during high demand periods (relative to output). However, this efficiency cannot be sustained...and should not be specified with the continuous ratings. What you are looking at is 15kW of output for short bursts, not continuous tones. How it got CEA-2006 rated is beyond me...

I doubt math will help others, because they're obviously already ignoring it, but we'll try anyway...

If the battery only supplies as much as 350 amps at 14.4 V, the power from the battery is 5040 watts. If we assume AB efficiency of 80% (generous), you're looking at a little over 4000 watts output provided by from the battery. So where's the rest of that energy coming from.....?

We know the amp uses a large bank of capacitors. RF has mentioned in the past that it offers 225,000 joules. The roughly 11,000 watts remaining (to achieve the published 15,000 watt rating), all of which must go through a class AB output stage. Again, assuming 80% efficiency, you're looking at 14,000 watts input to achieve the remaining 11,000 watts output.

So, coming back to the 225,000 joules. A joule is a watt-second. Taking 225,000 joules and dividing it by 14,000 watts, you're looking at ~16 seconds of continuous output at that level.

And guess what happens once the capacitor bank is drained....you need to start filling it back up. To charge the 225,000 joules worth of capacitors back up, you know again that we can't supply anymore than 4000 watts (per RF's own literature, ie. the 350 max amps of current draw...see math above). Take 225,000 joules (or watt-second) and divide by 4000 watts....it will take approximately 56 seconds of continuous 350 amp current draw just to charge the capacitor bank again!

In reality, what you have is an amplifier that can do 4 kW continuous, and supply 15,000 kW peak for short bursts. Oddly enough, most people normally object to companies that rate products like RF has here....

 
In reality, what you have is an amplifier that can do 4 kW continuous, and supply 15,000 kW peak for short bursts. Oddly enough, most people normally object to companies that rate products like RF has here....
Neil, thats because people are so used to being lied to that we dont even take what the sales litrature states as RMS output anymore, much less peak.

 
I'm starting to wonder if you guys even know the amp you're so proud of....
First, look at the RF literature. The Hybrid Technology is predominantly described as a current-averaging system. In case the diction doesn't make it clear, the T15K draws less peak current by drawing more current during low output, which is then stored in the capacitors for use during high output.

As already noted, the T15K does not have efficiency greater than 100%. Power (energy over time) output cannot exceed power input. During low demand, the amplifier actually has a negative efficiency (relative to output). The energy stored in the capacitors during this period means you get extremely high efficiency during high demand periods (relative to output). However, this efficiency cannot be sustained...and should not be specified with the continuous ratings. What you are looking at is 15kW of output for short bursts, not continuous tones. How it got CEA-2006 rated is beyond me...

I doubt math will help others, because they're obviously already ignoring it, but we'll try anyway...

If the battery only supplies as much as 350 amps at 14.4 V, the power from the battery is 5040 watts. If we assume AB efficiency of 80% (generous), you're looking at a little over 4000 watts output provided by from the battery. So where's the rest of that energy coming from.....?

We know the amp uses a large bank of capacitors. RF has mentioned in the past that it offers 225,000 joules. The roughly 11,000 watts remaining (to achieve the published 15,000 watt rating), all of which must go through a class AB output stage. Again, assuming 80% efficiency, you're looking at 14,000 watts input to achieve the remaining 11,000 watts output.

So, coming back to the 225,000 joules. A joule is a watt-second. Taking 225,000 joules and dividing it by 14,000 watts, you're looking at ~16 seconds of continuous output at that level.

And guess what happens once the capacitor bank is drained....you need to start filling it back up. To charge the 225,000 joules worth of capacitors back up, you know again that we can't supply anymore than 4000 watts (per RF's own literature, ie. the 350 max amps of current draw...see math above). Take 225,000 joules (or watt-second) and divide by 4000 watts....it will take approximately 56 seconds of continuous 350 amp current draw just to charge the capacitor bank again!

In reality, what you have is an amplifier that can do 4 kW continuous, and supply 15,000 kW peak for short bursts. Oddly enough, most people normally object to companies that rate products like RF has here....

4,000 watts? your smokin.....ive ripped it for a lot longer then a short burst on HEAVY bass lines and the amps didnt even drop one notch from full power (in its reserves). If your talking PURE SINE WAVE for a certain amount of time, well hell, its already been stated its not designed for that. This amp is made for MUSIC and can keep up with anything you throw at it. I dont plan on ever putting a 30 second sinewave at full power thru this system, that is retarded. Musicly, with the alternators turning, this thing should go all day long. I will find out sometime soon when i finish.

anyway, for one minute, lets just pretend i believe you. That is the LOUDEST CLEANEST most incredible 4,000 watts i have ever heard. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

Id lay a fat crispy 100 that you would agree if you ever heard it. When you comin' to see me?

 
I'm starting to wonder if you guys even know the amp you're so proud of....
First, look at the RF literature. The Hybrid Technology is predominantly described as a current-averaging system. In case the diction doesn't make it clear, the T15K draws less peak current by drawing more current during low output, which is then stored in the capacitors for use during high output.

As already noted, the T15K does not have efficiency greater than 100%. Power (energy over time) output cannot exceed power input. During low demand, the amplifier actually has a negative efficiency (relative to output). The energy stored in the capacitors during this period means you get extremely high efficiency during high demand periods (relative to output). However, this efficiency cannot be sustained...and should not be specified with the continuous ratings. What you are looking at is 15kW of output for short bursts, not continuous tones. How it got CEA-2006 rated is beyond me...

I doubt math will help others, because they're obviously already ignoring it, but we'll try anyway...

If the battery only supplies as much as 350 amps at 14.4 V, the power from the battery is 5040 watts. If we assume AB efficiency of 80% (generous), you're looking at a little over 4000 watts output provided by from the battery. So where's the rest of that energy coming from.....?

We know the amp uses a large bank of capacitors. RF has mentioned in the past that it offers 225,000 joules. The roughly 11,000 watts remaining (to achieve the published 15,000 watt rating), all of which must go through a class AB output stage. Again, assuming 80% efficiency, you're looking at 14,000 watts input to achieve the remaining 11,000 watts output.

So, coming back to the 225,000 joules. A joule is a watt-second. Taking 225,000 joules and dividing it by 14,000 watts, you're looking at ~16 seconds of continuous output at that level.

And guess what happens once the capacitor bank is drained....you need to start filling it back up. To charge the 225,000 joules worth of capacitors back up, you know again that we can't supply anymore than 4000 watts (per RF's own literature, ie. the 350 max amps of current draw...see math above). Take 225,000 joules (or watt-second) and divide by 4000 watts....it will take approximately 56 seconds of continuous 350 amp current draw just to charge the capacitor bank again!

In reality, what you have is an amplifier that can do 4 kW continuous, and supply 15,000 kW peak for short bursts. Oddly enough, most people normally object to companies that rate products like RF has here....
FAIL:laugh:

 
4,000 watts? your smokin.....ive ripped it for a lot longer then a short burst on HEAVY bass lines and the amps didnt even drop one notch from full power (in its reserves). If your talking PURE SINE WAVE for a certain amount of time, well hell, its already been stated its not designed for that. This amp is made for MUSIC and can keep up with anything you throw at it. I dont plan on ever putting a 30 second sinewave at full power thru this system, that is retarded. Musicly, with the alternators turning, this thing should go all day long. I will find out sometime soon when i finish.
anyway, for one minute, lets just pretend i believe you. That is the LOUDEST CLEANEST most incredible 4,000 watts i have ever heard. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

Id lay a fat crispy 100 that you would agree if you ever heard it. When you comin' to see me?
Thank you Steve, I dont see whats so hard to understand about this. As soon as you say this amp will last more than a couple burps at full power everyone here trys to argue "You cant change the laws of physics". I just dont get it, is it that hard to comprehend that this amp works and it works efficiently.

 
Someone need to let CEA know that there ratings are wrong, just ask devildriver.

CEA-2006 Compliant CEA-2006 Guidelines

Number of Channels 4

Rated Power

continuous power 500W x 4 @ 4-Ohms RMS

1000W x 4 @ 2-Ohms RMS

2000W x 4 @ 1-Ohm RMS

3750W x 4 @ 0.5-Ohm RMS

2000W x 2 @ 4-Ohms bridged RMS

4000W x 2 @ 2-Ohms bridged RMS

7500W x 2 @ 1-Ohm bridged RMS

 
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