No Subs for me?

[plazman 10+ year member]

I have a 325I as well. Remember that the battery is in the back of the vehicle so I would not mess with buying more than one amp kit since the cables will probably be no more than 3 feet. I would look into the Streetwires dist. block that has the positive and the negative on the same block, it really makes things nice. They make it for up to 4 amps with fuse holders etc. Also do not cut the original powercable anywhere, it has a feature called the "battery safety terminal" which has a small explosive in the cable that disconnects the cable when there is a serious accident. If you do this your airbag light will never go off and it will cost several hundred to fix.

Thanks Bro, but i got everything figured out. What do u mean airbag light?

 

[DFW40 10+ year member]

There is a airbag light on your dash next to the service engine light, low coolant etc. It looks like a person sitting down with a beachball in his lap. This light can go on if there is any problem with the airbags, battery safety terminal. I made the mistake of cutting the large power cord to put on my own battery terminal and that light will not go off until I replace this entire 1 gauge cable that runs to the front of the car.

 

[EFFENDI 10+ year member]

You really hate being disagreed with, dont you?

Only when their argument is an agreement.........like I said before..
POINTLESS........

 

[EFFENDI 10+ year member]

You agree with me, then call my arguement useless? Start making sense! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Only thing that doesnt make sense is you audioholic!Continuing pointless debates, when your argument is based on a misinterpretation....thats your specialty isnt it?

I wouldnt expect any less from you!!

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

So you still say the Brahma is the same sub as the XXX? Really, how about trying to attack what I say, instead of me personally? Or, I guess wasnt making any sense when I said the Brahma and XXX have different motors, different suspension, cone types, specs, power handling, enclosure requirements, etc? Or do you just need me to talk slower for you EFF?

If you or jemorgan think I have some sort of hard on for you, you both over estimate your importance in my eyes.

edit: Ive seen Steven Kephart of Adire Audio come to the boards and say the same thing Ive said, they are not the same subs. But when I say it, OMG I just want to be arguementative, right? Whatever. The simple fact that they both use XBL^2 means they sound very similar (I know you have Brahma's, but have you ever even been around a XXX?), but that's where the similarities end. Above where I said I would suggest them 'interchangably', that was only in regards to sound type. And I guess you missed where I said 'in many situations'. I guess you still missed it even when I pointed it out in my following reply. I guess you STILL haven't seen that line yet. Although Im surprised, you had to have intentionally deleted it when you half-quoted me to twist my words. Maybe you've just forgotten what I actually said.

 

[EFFENDI 10+ year member]

I never said they were the same subs!!!! Maybe I had poor judgement in assuming that you would understand what I was trying to say. If anyone is missing the point here its you!!!!!

Bottom line, if it comes down between a Brahma and a XXX, they are extremely similar subs because they both exhibit the same output characteristics, ie. they sound similar

....regardless of whether or not they physically or technically are equal.

You are misinterpreting what I posted, just admit it and move on. I really have no desire to prove any point to you except that you misunderstood what I wrote and are replying with pointless, unnecessarily argumentative responses.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Actually what you said was:

pretty much for all intents and purposes the exact same sub as the XXX.

I never said they were the same subs!!!! Maybe I had poor judgement in assuming that you would understand what I was trying to say. If anyone is missing the point here its you!!!!!

I disagreed in the terms I listed in my first reply. ie: specs, power handling, enclosures, etc. All I had to go on was your first comment, pretty much the exact same subs. If you want to breeze in with a couple one liners, and breeze out, dont get pissy when someone elaborates (or *gasp* disagrees). If you wanted us to understand you meant the things you listed in your last reply (they sound similar), I suggest you actually say that next time.

You are misinterpreting what I posted, just admit it and move on. I really have no desire to prove any point to you except that you misunderstood what I wrote and are replying with pointless, unnecessarily argumentative responses.

You act as if I keep perpetuating this, and yet you agree with what I say (the differences) but wont simply say so and move on. Lets not forget you keep hitting the reply button also. If Im guilty of perpatuating this, you are just as much guilty. I suggest when you accuse someone of something, make sure you yourself are not guilty as well.

Im sorry you consider mentioning things like differences in power handling, enclosures, etc is pointless and unnecessary, but to some people that may make all the difference in picking between these two.

This is lame, arguing over your exact wording or meaning instead of taking my added info for what is was and moving on. You seem to have this need to be right, to have me admit I was wrong. Okay EFF, I was wrong to add in the differences between the two drivers. It was completely wrong of me to add anything more to the discussion than "pretty much for all intents and purposes the exact same sub" because disagreeing with EFFENDI is wrong.

Read my first reply again EFF. Was it sarcastic? Was it rude? What exactly is your problem with what I said, besides the fact that I disagreed with you?

 

[EFFENDI 10+ year member]

OK this is just plain getting out of hand.

I do have the option to not reply, I just want you to realize that what you and I both posted, is the same thing, except you took one statement out of context, albeit, without a great deal of comprehension of it, and tried to show my statement as being incorrect......while you were agreeing with it, and in the same post?!! I just dont get it, you contradicted yourself, and I was simply trying to illustrate that!

By the way, I never once said what you posted was wrong! I was trying to show you that what we both said was, in all reality, the same thing. Look at the posts!

Maybe I took your initial response the wrong way, but based on your continued responses, you are just creating drama and dont want to realize the issue here is quite simply resolved, ie. just let it go!!!!

Sure I could have done all the research for the OP, listed the specs, etc. etc. but thats not my job. Based on his post, all he was looking for was reccomendations based on the other category of subwoofers he was looking at, ie. something that is a double duty SPL/SQ sub, like the Brahma or XXX. I am sure, more than likely, he is capable of making his own comparison.

If you still want to argue that they are not similar subs, let the specs speak for themselves.....

Adire Audio Brahma 15"

Fs: 26Hz

Qms: 5.5

Qes: 0.51

Qts: 0.47

Vas: 113L

Sd: 749cm^2

Xmax, 1 way: 29mm

SPL 1W,1M: 87dB

RMS: 1600W

Max/Peak: 4800W

Resonant Engineering XXX 15"

Fs: 18Hz

Qms: 4.68

Qes: 0.55

Qts: 0.49

Vas: 123.3L

Sd: 810 cm^2

Xmax, 1 way: 32mm

SPL 1W,1M: 88.7dB

RMS: 1600W

Max/Peak: 2500W

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I do have the option to not reply, I just want you to realize that what you and I both posted, is the same thing, except you took one statement out of context, albeit, without a great deal of comprehension of it, and tried to show my statement as being incorrect......while you were agreeing with it, and in the same post?!! I just dont get it, you contradicted yourself, and I was simply trying to illustrate that!

Now the problem is my comprehension? I took one statement out of context? hahahaha What context EFF? Did you state, in any way, in your first post that you were only referring to their sound characterisitcs? Where is this context I left out EFF? You breeze in with a one liner, then breeze out, and its my fault for not reading between the lines? I guess Im just too dumb to understand all the intricacies of "pretty much for all intents and purposes the exact same sub"? Yeah right. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Sorry EFF, but the subs are not the 'same for all intents and purposes'. Do you even realize what 'for all intents and purposes' means? If you understand it, you should know not to use it, then say 'well I just meant the same in one aspect' (how they sound). I did not bash you, flame you or be rude in any way. I disagreed with your one liner, as it was too vague IMO. Dont agree? Too bad. Maybe for all your important intents and purposes they are the same, but they are not.

You take the cake, coming here, over and over telling me how I wont just let this go. You admit every thing I said was correct, and yet somehow Im a ******** for posting it. If I had it to do over again, Id post it again.

Before I bought my XXX's, I debated with myself between these two subs. I researched their differences, not just listening tests. So yes, Im aware of their similarities, and their differences. But, god forbid I disagree with the genius EFFENDI when he breezes in and say they are the same. God forbid I, you know, add information to the conversation. Or am I only allowed to do so when it doesn't disagree with your posted info? You are way too unsure of yourself, to have someone disagreeing with you bother you this much.

Its funny you keep acting as if Im the one perpetuating this, and yet you could have simply come here and posted 'yes those are differences, I was referring to the sound similarities', or something to that effect. But no, you had to get pissy and insult me by saying Im just being pointless and arguementative. Get a grip EFF, someone disagreed with you, get over it and go on with your life.

Even in your first reply to mine you stated they are 'interchangable'. They are not. Go buy a couple XXX's and drop them in the enclosures your Brahma's are in right now, then come back and tell us they are interchangable. Now, if you wanted that to be based only on listening criteria, again, I suggest next time you actually say that. This could have been over a long time ago if you hadn't gotten your panties in a wad over someone disagreeing with your one liner.

You know your first post, about them being pretty much the 'exact same sub' was vague. You know it was. You were being lazy and didn't want to type out more than those few lines. Guess what? It came back to bite you, as those things sometimes do. If you expect people to understand the intricacies of your thoughts, I suggest you write them out to be seen next time, instead of treating someone like an idiot jerk-off for not assuming it all along.

You are such the big man EFF, why not let this go? I have agreed they sound very similar (hell I agree with that in my forst reply). You have agreed the differences I listed are valid. What exactly is the problem here, other than your bruised internet ego?

edit: Im sure everyone else is sick of this, I know I am. If you want to continue this EFF, PM me.

 

[EFFENDI 10+ year member]

You know audioholic, I am really surprised that you would go to such an effort in order to bring defamation to my name and reputation. I dont feel that I have a bruised ego, in fact quite the opposite is true, I just simply dont understand why you would try so hard to attempt to do so, if anyone is exhibiting a bruised ego here it isnt me. I have much more important things to deal with. I do have a problem with people arguing over a simple misinterpretation and an unwillingness to understand though...

The single issue that I have with you is that you went out of your way to make me appear to have done something wrong, considering my wholehearted intent, it was not ever to realize that falsehood.

My inital post purposely was vauge, but not incorrect. I will explain.

Your first post quoted mine, stating my reccomendation as an 'incorrect' one, in that sense; you purposefully and well-knowingly took my statement out of context in order to further the argument that you had with me regarding whether or not they are actually the same subs. You keep perpetuating your argument that I said they were exactly the same subs in every possible way, when you well know that I never said that! In this sense you are perpetuating things because I am simply trying to prove my blamelessness. I honestly beleive that the bulk of the members of this forum carry enough common sense to make the correct assumption based on what it was I first posted, if I am wrong to assume that most of the members here are even minutely intelligent and mature, then I must be in the wrong forum. I never said or intended for you to feel like an "idiot jerk-off", you felt that way on your own.

As I clearly stated before, I assumed that the OPs question was asking for suggestions as to which subs fit the same category of the other models he listed, my post was not ever intended for you to debate. My intent was for the original poster to come to his own conclusions based on my reccomendations.

Let me remind you that it was not me who first said they are interchangeable, it was you. Additionally, by interchangeable, I assumed that you meant they fit the same criteria to be considered for that same group of similar subs, which "for all intents and purposes (based of those subs from the OPs initial comparison) are the same" No it is not a "swap one for another "situation, any basic enthusiast realizes that, Im surprised that you would even bother posting nonsense like that. It is these broad statements and blatant generalizations that you are basing a pointless argument on.

I am the bigger man here, at 6' 4" and 265lbs //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif , and more than willing to let this go. I sincerly apologize for insulting your intelligence, but hopefully now that I have illustrated it clearly, I hope that you now finally understand exactly what it was I said.

Im done.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Why would I want to defame you? I dont even know you. You have taken this way too personally from the start. Aparently my initial reply read with some edge to it that wasn't meant, at least as you read. That was not my intention.

The XXX and the Brahma are not the same sub. They both use XBL^2 so they have similar (very) sound characterisitcs. But other than them both using XBL^2, the motor is completely different, different suspension, cone type/materials, Brahma has less excursion, less power handling, etc. They are very close, and I would recommend them interchangably in many situations, but they are by no means the 'exact same sub'.

The point was you bounced in here and posted something that even you admit was vague. You want to post vague comments but get ticked when people explain further, and/or disagree with you? Too bad. If you want your point known specifically (that they sound the same), its up to YOU to get that point across to the readers. It is not the job of the readers to assume that's what you mean. Although I do agree the subs sound very similar (hence my comment about using them interchangeably 'in many situations'), there are difference. Differences you decided not to post when you posted what you did. As I said before, maybe these are minor differences to you, or beside your original point, but they are differences none the less. I did not post this to defame you, certainly not to get into a pissing match over it. I posted it because the info I said is true, and in many instances (such as mine) is important. But, if my wording seemed to be picking on you in some way, I apologize for that.

And I do understand what it was you said. And Ive understood what you meant, about them being the same in sound, ever since you explained it in a follow-up post. You act as if I dont understand what you are saying and am just arguing nothing, and yet all Ive been doing since your follow-up reply is defending my reasons for posting in the first place. If you would stop attacking my reasoning for posting and continuing to say/imply my intent here is simply to make you look bad, I would be fine to let this go and move on. You say Im arguementative, and yet you hit the reply button as well. What I didnt understand was why you decided to treat me as nothing more than arguementative, even when agreeing with the points I made. *shrug*

If you had replied to my initial response with a simple explanation of what you meant by they are the same (as in the sound characteristics), and left out the BS about meaningless arguements, I would have simply agreed and moved on.

We can continue this discussion via PM if you wish. Otherwise Im done with it too.

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

once again audioholic you are being a pessimist and immature.

Your listed age is making me think that you lied about it