New box for my box

[alstee 10+ year member]

ok this has got to be one of the best forums i have ever read. It was very inlightning. from what I have read I have not heard anyone bash steve just trying to help him out. Now I am a rook still so I am in no way saying who is right and who is wrong but I think that actions speak louder then words and the fact that the box design got junked speaks very loud and again I feel nobody was bashing steve just the people who designed his box

 

[steve c 10+ year member]

^^^ a good learning experience i guess

 

[NhustlaR 10+ year member]

Im gonna go out on a limb and say it was these guys http://www.jlsmobilesound.com/ .
Another fine example of their port issues

Oh yeah - the top box is a MFG pre-fab box by BoxMax somebody brought in! LOL!

lol so prefab boxes come with liquid nails on them?????

 

[JLJunkieMX107 10+ year member]

lol so prefab boxes come with liquid nails on them?????

Lol I was thinking that too but never mentioned it.

What I find strange is that the owner keeps dancing around the notion of sacrificing sound for looks when they can have both. It's not like there is a huge difference in design that will hinder good sound quality just to look good. What does hinder good sound in a flashy setup is laziness and inexperience. The simple suggestion from your fabricator that a ported/sealed design will hit all the frequencies is completely ridiculous. And for you to say a ported box sounds sloppier than a sealed box is yet another example of your lack of knowledge in your own profession. It would be in your best interest to stop posting because you are dragging your shops name in the mud.

I have not seen anyone hating or bashing steve. Why would we? He was not the one who came up with this design. Steve is just looking for good sound and sorry to say, he is definately not going to find it in your shop. Steve if you want a good box PM me and I will build it and ship it to you(and I guarantee it will be a LOT cheaper than the crap they are trying to sell you).

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I've also used up more than enough energy on this ...but it's for all good reason - to represent JLS fairly and stand in to listen to Steve's concerns. As for all the "technicalities" of building this system for Steve, it comes to what he wants and how my fabricator will work with him. As for sacrificing looks for sound and making that an excuse - it applies to each customer accordingly. Some like the looks, some like sound, and for the ones that go to the extreme of one or the other we'll help out accordingly to the BEST of our abililties! We're always learning and I admit that we can always learn more!As far as business advice and responsibility of giving customers sufficient info in regards to what they'll be getting - we always fulfill that and give them that advice well needed. Would we care to put ourselves out there on this board if we didn't care what our client was thinking or wanting? But yet we are...we DO take that extra mile! As far as this ported/sealed box - basic is sealed sounds cleaner then a ported box, unless it's tuned right. That's all simple - if Steve doesn't "smile" at the end of this - he'll let you all know!

Good day to you and thanks for your time in replying and all comments/advice...

I do not present that you do not care, but rather that you do not know any better. Your box expert should know better however.
Good luck to you, your business, and the OP.

 

[Psychodrama 10+ year member]

WOW, what a thread, very interesting read. Thanks audioholic, JLJunkieMX107 (wonderful insight) and energizedsbs (good laugh)

 

[BASS ADDiCTiON 10+ year member]

Steve, how much are you paying for this?

 

[alstee 10+ year member]

psychodrama you being my little brother I can say this and know that this is probably the only thing on here that I will ever say and know I know what I am talking about 100% no doubt about it and no option for any kind of arguing. But the playa and part time pimp is 100% false advertising in no way shape or form are you a playa or a part time pimp you dont even have enough game to play with yourself lol.

 

[steve c 10+ year member]

i paid about $150 for the box... that includes materials and labor.. btw they did it twice so i guess it's not tooo bad

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Man, I don't even know what to say being Audioholic pretty much covered everything, so no sense in getting into details in my post.

What I find rediculous is that you say we are "bashing" you and some are using a couple choice words. Well take that with a grain of salt as the saying goes, cause you will need some thick skin around these parts. Thing is we are trying to help you, yet you come on here post after post sticking up for your fabircator, which is find and dandy, but sorry to burst your bubble, he is not doing his "job!" We have mentioned a couple times now about being "blunt" and needing a new box guy. I know, you say well Steve wants it Flashy, yet wants it to sound good too, well then build him the right enclosure then, which I see you are, but did any of that have to do with us? Cause I would like to think so, but I doubt you would admit to that. You say you don't care about Pride, so we shall see. What was the main reason for you going all sealed now?

I am not trying to come off brash, just adding fuel to the fire I guess, lol! I also don't claim to know how to build enclosures, which I generally have others do as I am more a hook up the amps and stuff like that. Thank god they not only know the general aspect of how to build one, but also the examples we have been using of all show with the go. Cause good forbid being able to have both of those right? There is some useful info in here, so don't be so niave and stop thinking outside of the box as you say, cause until you can get the fundamentals down, which from looking at pictures people have put up, you haven't, then don't go so flashy. I know you have a business to run and all, which you seem to have down pat, but seems to me you must get a lot of people that have no clue about "sound systems." You will make your money, but going about it all the wrong way. I guess I can't fault you for that, as money is money, but is shady to an extent.

Like Audio said, get that book, and for the love of good, make sure your fab guy see's it being he is the one that needs some brushing up to do.

Good day fine sir. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Edit, I guess I did get into some details, lol!

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

The unfortunate part is his fabricator really has him snowed into believing he's all that. When I first saw the first box they designed and were building, my initial thought was "someone's first attempt at a box". Turns out the guy was a 'pro' that designs and builds boxes every day for this business.

 

[jlsmobilesound 10+ year member]

Man, I don't even know what to say being Audioholic pretty much covered everything, so no sense in getting into details in my post.
What I find rediculous is that you say we are "bashing" you and some are using a couple choice words. Well take that with a grain of salt as the saying goes, cause you will need some thick skin around these parts. Thing is we are trying to help you, yet you come on here post after post sticking up for your fabircator, which is find and dandy, but sorry to burst your bubble, he is not doing his "job!" We have mentioned a couple times now about being "blunt" and needing a new box guy. I know, you say well Steve wants it Flashy, yet wants it to sound good too, well then build him the right enclosure then, which I see you are, but did any of that have to do with us? Cause I would like to think so, but I doubt you would admit to that. You say you don't care about Pride, so we shall see. What was the main reason for you going all sealed now?

I am not trying to come off brash, just adding fuel to the fire I guess, lol! I also don't claim to know how to build enclosures, which I generally have others do as I am more a hook up the amps and stuff like that. Thank god they not only know the general aspect of how to build one, but also the examples we have been using of all show with the go. Cause good forbid being able to have both of those right? There is some useful info in here, so don't be so niave and stop thinking outside of the box as you say, cause until you can get the fundamentals down, which from looking at pictures people have put up, you haven't, then don't go so flashy. I know you have a business to run and all, which you seem to have down pat, but seems to me you must get a lot of people that have no clue about "sound systems." You will make your money, but going about it all the wrong way. I guess I can't fault you for that, as money is money, but is shady to an extent.

Like Audio said, get that book, and for the love of good, make sure your fab guy see's it being he is the one that needs some brushing up to do.

Good day fine sir. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Edit, I guess I did get into some details, lol!

Honestly,

I do think this thread/post will be useful - whether it be to a "noob", other members, audio fanatics, shop owners, etc. you learn something from all sides in regards to enclosures and building one.

And I see it - all of these "comments/posts" are greatly taken as advice and comments humbly - imo from my point of view. As for my fabricator he'll do what he needs to do to either learn more and/or grow or not. That's up to him - but business is business as you said and we do take care of our clients regardless of what others may think. Be it a noob or mediocre audio fanatic or TRUE hardcore fan - we do the best we can...and that's fact!

Of course it's always good to learn a bit more and I'm all for it and will do that as it is part of the business I run. But like I said - to be ridiculed and not to have a voice about anything is just plain ignorant if you're trying to run a decent business.

As for the business end - I hope most of which who read these threads know 3 major points. JLS does try and do our best to satisfy the customer to any extent possible - customer satisfaction and the best work we possibly (to our abilities) give to our clients. We'll take time and consideration into what a particular customer will need for their system design - whether it be a simple audio/video set-up, stereo/speaker upgrade, OR full blown systems like this. And finally, we're a fairly rounded shop that can accommodate simple entry-level systems to full blown systems at a level where most shops (in our area) cannot compare to in pricing/service/installations. That I can guarantee.

It's a fast paced environment here in California and we do our best to take care of these fast paced clients in a timely fashion (trying not to effect the quality as well).

So with that said - expelling more energy in this long thread - thanks again for all said comments. They are not taken in any way/fashion/or form to be negative - I'm optimistic and see there's a lesson in everything.

As for Steve's enclosure / system upgrade we'll be finishing it shortly (hopefully sooner than later). Thanks and have yourself a good day as well, sir!

Steve, thanks for your time and patience!

 

[jlsmobilesound 10+ year member]

The unfortunate part is his fabricator really has him snowed into believing he's all that. When I first saw the first box they designed and were building, my initial thought was "someone's first attempt at a box". Turns out the guy was a 'pro' that designs and builds boxes every day for this business.

"Snowed" into beleiving..rather "showed" me into believing. I may not have the same experience or "audiophile" ear sets BUT I like what I see and hear. And so do many if not all clients who do get a system from us. Again I do have to mention - not ALL of our customers are AUDIO FANATICS...they just want loud and system to go boom. Not about worrying how low a port should be tuned or how the interior of the box design should be - imo. That's what's great about a hobby which you turn into your own business - you get to do it the way YOU want and the best YOU can (of course with the clients acceptance.) As for my fabricator being a pro in box designing - I don't think I ever called him that OR if he called himself that. BUT I know one thing - we're definitely PRO-fessional at making sure that our business turns out cars at higher than expected standards to our clients. They're happy, $$$ is paid, and we are happy! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Just my 2cents to this comment Audiolic - thanks!

..guess the time away from this thread gave me more energy to expel! LOL!

 

[JLJunkieMX107 10+ year member]

"Snowed" into beleiving..rather "showed" me into believing. I may not have the same experience or "audiophile" ear sets BUT I like what I see and hear. And so do many if not all clients who do get a system from us. Again I do have to mention - not ALL of our customers are AUDIO FANATICS...they just want loud and system to go boom. Not about worrying how low a port should be tuned or how the interior of the box design should be - imo. That's what's great about a hobby which you turn into your own business - you get to do it the way YOU want and the best YOU can (of course with the clients acceptance.) As for my fabricator being a pro in box designing - I don't think I ever called him that OR if he called himself that. BUT I know one thing - we're definitely PRO-fessional at making sure that our business turns out cars at higher than expected standards to our clients. They're happy, $$$ is paid, and we are happy! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gifJust my 2cents to this comment Audiolic - thanks!

..guess the time away from this thread gave me more energy to expel! LOL!

This is your most ignorant post as of yet. So if someone is not a complete audio fanatic it is okay to give him a mediocre box design that would not sound good to an audiophile like us. That is complete bullsh*t and the lamest cop out I have heard yet. This just completely ruined any respect I had for you and your shop. You just proved audioholics point that you cater to "noobs" and will install a system that doesnt sound good just because they do not know any better. My advice to you is step away from the keyboard before you run your name further into the ground.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

"Snowed" into beleiving..rather "showed" me into believing. I may not have the same experience or "audiophile" ear sets BUT I like what I see and hear. And so do many if not all clients who do get a system from us. Again I do have to mention - not ALL of our customers are AUDIO FANATICS...they just want loud and system to go boom. Not about worrying how low a port should be tuned or how the interior of the box design should be - imo. That's what's great about a hobby which you turn into your own business - you get to do it the way YOU want and the best YOU can (of course with the clients acceptance.) As for my fabricator being a pro in box designing - I don't think I ever called him that OR if he called himself that. BUT I know one thing - we're definitely PRO-fessional at making sure that our business turns out cars at higher than expected standards to our clients. They're happy, $$$ is paid, and we are happy! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gifJust my 2cents to this comment Audiolic - thanks!

..guess the time away from this thread gave me more energy to expel! LOL!

While I find your positive attitude towards these comments professional, and that's apreciated, as stated above, Im discouraged by your attitude that things we've mentioned here are strictly for 'audiophile' grade customers.
A solid stereo system is based upon a good foundation. A design that incorporates both sealed and ported systems, to play the same freq range, is not a good foundation. It may look 'flashy' and it may be out of the ordinary, but in the end its a STEREO and a stereo's main goal is to sound correct. As Ive stated before, it does not take a golden ear to hear fundamentally wrong, or fundamentally right. Your shop puts out (or almost did) a fundamentally bad design, and you characterize the criticism as people being too picky. You are a professional shop, people come to you to know and follow the basics and the fundamentals. Any jerk can screw boxes together willy-nilly, people come to you to get it right, not to get it 'right enough'. You are suppose to be picky too, don't you get that yet?

A good fabricator would find ways to add 'fash' without disrupting the foundation of the stereo system itself (compromising critical design elements). You say your shop caters everything from entry-level systems to 'full blown systems'. How can we read that comment with a straight face when your head fabricator doesn't even know enough not to mix sealed and ported enclosures? That's not a flame, its an honest question. Perhaps you are not understanding the fundamental flaw in your box guy's thinking. Its like taking your car to a mechanic, and having him tell you the tires should be mounted to the roof. And then he brags that they accomodate anything from simple oil changes to building full blown races cars... with the tires mounted to the roof aparently. That box, the box YOUR shop would have otherwise put out had we not said something, would have been like mounting tires to your roof.

You say your fabricator has proven himself to you, to your own ears. You yourself admit you are no expert in audio, so when we present you with a situation where 'your guy' made a fundamental (and frankly, embarrassing) mistake, you expect us to accept that its okay because he's proven to you that he knows what he is doing? Sir, that statement only makes you look worse, not better.

You can make excuses all you want (customers leave smiling, prospering business, etc) but in the end your shop almost put out a terribly embarrassing speaker box as a professional design. Sooner or later that sort of thing will catch up to you and your business.

At this point it is not up to your fabricator to grow. You are the boss, the owner, and you are now aware of the situation. The responsibility for fixing the 'problem' is yours. Its only how you chose to move forward with this information that is in question at this point.