New 2-way 6.5" high efficency unreal SQ

[Feandil 10+ year member]

What do you expect. Adire = teh loss...
XBL^2 is gay. Adire can't get their own speakers out much less anybody else's. They lie.

Also, surprised a thread was deleted on siN? I'm not, if it doesn't fit in with the dicktastership over there...it's immediately gone. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

NG

I'm not going to comment on that... cause I really really could say a lot there... but read this thread

that's my opinion on XBL2...

http://forum.carstereos.org/showthread.php?p=595296#post595296

 

[Feandil 10+ year member]

Lol calm down, i was on your side. I understand the hostility, but my point was there's nothing you've done that is so horrible as mustatang was saying. The only reason you (or brandon) shouldn't post something is if it was supposed to be confidential, which the e-mail didn't say anywhere that i read.

I didnt' want to post it out of courtesy (I have some apparently)... I held my tongue... brandon nor even dylan know half of what I put up with before I even came to ology

and I'll leave it at that to be honest...

I'm unbelievably busy... so excuse me if it takes me a bit to respond

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

I'm not going to comment on that... cause I really really could say a lot there... but read this thread
that's my opinion on XBL2...

http://forum.carstereos.org/showthread.php?p=595296#post595296

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But believe me, I know xbl^2...and I know shit about adire...and it's not cool.

NG

 

[Feandil 10+ year member]

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But believe me, I know xbl^2...and I know shit about adire...and it's not cool.

NG

try this link my friend

http://forum.carstereos.org/t57582-dan--driver-distortion-from-nonlinear-suspension-stiffness.html

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

For some reason I can't get to any carstereos.org pages...

NG

 

[Feandil 10+ year member]

For some reason I can't get to any carstereos.org pages...
NG

i'll help you out then I got to run for a bit...

You're 100% correct here....
the 95% of rest in fact is not inherent to the 4 flat spring method for suspension used in the arachnid suspension... however generally springs can be designed to in fact be nearly 100% progressive (with MANY different materials used from copper alloy to normal spring steel)

I have never heard of the apocalypse subwoofer, however if it uses the Adire arachnid suspension you're correct....

this does not discount that you will still run into what is called the "Cms wall" all that means is that suspension was designed to be inherently flat over the range of movement (which is easy for 20-30mm one way but difficult for 200-300mm one way)

as far as distortion... those two things are absolutely KEY for subs... or for any speaker in fact, but most important in subs

flat BL

flat compliance

these two things IMO are the simplest and most drastic reducers for distortion... both are realitively simple to achieve with some thought, even with regular overhung drivers

all the rest of the distortion products can be realitively easily engineered around if you have a great basis like flat CMS and flat BL (though both will inevitably fall off at some point)

stiffness of cone = easy

removing resonances = easy

I would consider CMS and BL to be the backbone of low distortion and any drive claiming great SQ better use a very nice progressive spider

I don't know of 10, but:
underhung

split coil

faraday's

Eric

overhung with extended poleT- overhung motors

underhung

X-underhung (our technology)

Split coil

XBL2

LMT

full length faradays with extended pole

few others that slip my mind

still the best to this DAY is the old underhung... cheap, extremely light coils, extremly high BL and low driver mounting depth

our X-underhung only improves on that slightly giving you that much more mounting depth (it's in fact less motor depth that any type of motor in existance per given excursion)

not really any info on that cause we're still filing patents

the flattest BL is achieved through underhung and classic overhung faradays with extended poles... they're the flattest of any method I can really think of

LMT is close to that flat... but not exactly

and XBL2/Split coil will undoubtably have issues keeping ridiging out of the BL

" still the best to this DAY is the old underhung... cheap, extremely light coils,"

Cheaper coils, but aren't they pretty cheap to begin with?

I thought underhong was quite expensive because instead of a longer coill you need a longer magnetic field = more expense for magnets.

I was speaking about the topography as a whole as no grooves etc need to be machined nor royalties paid, nor extra careful windings for Split coil, nor huge complicated coils for LMT
split coil is very very heavy... high mms etc

underhung is extraordinarily simple to manufacture (it's like manufacturing the most common overhung) and the coil can theoretically be the lightest possible as excursion is only based upon the gap height and not any relationship between grooving and coil height (you'll find that XBL needs almost a 80% longer coil than underhung, just in general)...

in fact you could theoretically have a 20-30 layer VC and have the smallest mounting depth of any speaker per given excursion

in fact no magnet costs generally don't rise... at least not enough to matter versus machining costs generally speaking

generally XBL has about the same magnetic gap height as underhung and therefore you have magnetic loses there as well

magnetic force is simple to compensate for and you need no huge magnets to do it (tall I mean) as the depth is all top plate...

this allows for the MOST effective, cost savings, and environmentally friendly method to speaker design

a very very wide thin magnet (in fact 5mm tall is enough in MANY cases) and this will generally be cheaper and give MORE flux vs. a solid tall less wide piece.... thin ferrite is very very very cheap... thick ferrite is NOT ... N35 is the same... but times that by several orders of magnitude in prices

I think the whole thing is the "love factor"

"ooooo new technology PRETTY"... when the classic ones work fantasticly in fact better than any new fangled ones overall IMO

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Werd, I'm familiar with the downfalls and shortcomings of XBL^2...the other information has got me extremely interested.

NG

 

[Feandil 10+ year member]

Werd, I'm familiar with the downfalls and shortcomings of XBL^2...the other information has got me extremely interested.
NG

cool //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I love teaching things like this... and truly it's an unbiased opinion at least it's obvious for now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I genuinely without implication to any technology would rather have overhung with faradays to Split coil... and underhung to XBL2

it's really that simple doing all the motor sims I have done

I simply thought XBL^2 was a good selling point and decent tech with good warranty from adire and good service... sigh

 

[OlogyAudio 10+ year member]

cool //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
I love teaching things like this... and truly it's an unbiased opinion at least it's obvious for now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I genuinely without implication to any technology would rather have overhung with faradays to Split coil... and underhung to XBL2

it's really that simple doing all the motor sims I have done

I simply thought XBL^2 was a good selling point and decent tech with good warranty from adire and good service... sigh

^^ x2

It seems my internet is back for now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Now it is time to read all these pages... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif looks like a lot of stuff

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

Craziness.

 

[OlogyAudio 10+ year member]

After reading all that...

Why can't everyone get along? -- Stop calling names...

Skeptikal’s posting isn’t worthy of losing dealer's status that’s for sure… It was rly difficult for me to keep all that information contained and since he is self proclaimed ‘easily annoyed’… Skeptikal had reasons to know this info since he was a dealer… None of this required that anyone sign a non disclosure agreement… If someone started blubbering about *Private* information that they had to sign a NDA for… or at least give their word not to tell anyone about, this would be a different story…

I don’t think him posting this tarnished our image.

I don’t think that should have been posted in Adire’s forum though as it is obvious they wouldn’t allow such a fact to stand in their own domain… (I think that’s how I’m reading this) -- Granted they should be held accountable for their practices… They ultimately have the right to choose what is in their forum… Our forum will just never be put to this test though so long as I’m alive and kicking.

 

[jrouter76 10+ year member]

After reading all that...
Why can't everyone get along? -- Stop calling names...

Skeptikal’s posting isn’t worthy of losing dealer's status that’s for sure… It was rly difficult for me to keep all that information contained and since he is self proclaimed ‘easily annoyed’… Skeptikal had reasons to know this info since he was a dealer… None of this required that anyone sign a non disclosure agreement… If someone started blubbering about *Private* information that they had to sign a NDA for… or at least give their word not to tell anyone about, this would be a different story…

I don’t think him posting this tarnished our image.

I don’t think that should have been posted in Adire’s forum though as it is obvious they wouldn’t allow such a fact to stand in their own domain… (I think that’s how I’m reading this) -- Granted they should be held accountable for their practices… They ultimately have the right to choose what is in their forum… Our forum will just never be put to this test though so long as I’m alive and kicking.

Have you checked your PMs I sent you about 4 need you to get back with me on some things we talked about earlier

 

[OlogyAudio 10+ year member]

Have you checked your PMs I sent you about 4 need you to get back with me on some things we talked about earlier

Yea just got back to ya //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

I've been in contact with Feandil in the past year regarding audio and I had

a funny feeling when he mentioned 'Adire' would be involved. I've been

watching and trolling for many many years in cyber and I know many

personalities. To me, it didn't feel right to reveal the uber design to them

as they also design and build drivers. The design should have been kept more

secret.

I read Dan's message on Sin.net and this is a typical 'text book' response from

him trying to make himself look good and other person look bad. I've seen

this all too often on forums from him.

Moral of the story: If you want something done right, do it yourself ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[skeptikal Premium Member]

and that's what will be done....