Need suggestions on possible system

JL is expensive but it's engineered and made well. Some people see value in that. Not everyone is a cheap ass motherfucker like you. The way you talk you obviously haven't owned any JL equipment and if you did it was probably the low end stuff. Your purse analogy has more holes in it than a slice of swiss cheese.
whatever... i'd rather have 2 fu, sundown, wolfram, cab, dayton or 30 other brand 12" subs in a nice box with a twisted amp (be louder and sound just as good) than 1- $1,000 12 in jl's stupid custom box.. do they sound good i freakin' hope so for that $ is all i can say.. and again normally it's 5 others on here saying the same thing i'm saying now including jeff but this time he's like they sound good., whatever.. if high end jl was 1/2 price it would still be hard to say it's worth it.. sorry man we just disagree on jl over priced all there is to has been and well be said until they stop charging crazy $ for even 150-300rms subs like they are something..

 
whatever... i'd rather have 2 fu, sundown, wolfram, cab, dayton or 30 other brand 12" subs in a nice box with a twisted amp (be louder and sound just as good) than 1- $1,000 12 in jl's stupid custom box.. do they sound good i freakin' hope so for that $ is all i can say.. and again normally it's 5 others on here saying the same thing i'm saying now including jeff but this time he's like they sound good., whatever.. if high end jl was 1/2 price it would still be hard to say it's worth it.. sorry man we just disagree on jl over priced all there is to has been and well be said until they stop charging crazy $ for even 150-300rms subs like they are something..
I find w6 used for 150 and 13w7s for 300-350 in my area, at that price they are definitely worth. I would not buy JL new but used pricing, they definitely sound way better than any of the brands you listed SQ wise and can keep up with the loudness (to a certain extent) as well. On the same amount of power, it should not be any less loud than sundown, FU, CAB or whatever, only when you throw double the RMS to the other subs is when they pull ahead. Dont sleep on JL subs, in a proper setup you can hair trick easily. I've personally seen it done with W3s in a 4th order blow through in a chysler 300. I'm pretty sure you've never used a proper JL woofer before if you are making those kind of comments.

 
I find w6 used for 150 and 13w7s for 300-350 in my area, at that price they are definitely worth. I would not buy JL new but used pricing, they definitely sound way better than any of the brands you listed SQ wise and can keep up with the loudness (to a certain extent) as well. On the same amount of power, it should not be any less loud than sundown, FU, CAB or whatever, only when you throw double the RMS to the other subs is when they pull ahead. Dont sleep on JL subs, in a proper setup you can hair trick easily. I've personally seen it done with W3s in a 4th order blow through in a chysler 300. I'm pretty sure you've never used a proper JL woofer before if you are making those kind of comments.
no but i've heard many yeas they sound fine.. i was even surprised by a w0 1 time sealed in truck box but still no reason for that sub to cost anywhere over $100.. yes if u get w6 cheap great.., there's a jl in jl box used on fb or offer up saw yesterday $800 please thats 2 new subs + box, it's just stupid they cost that much but same can be said for arc..

 
actually on the used jl sub i mentioned it's on fb 30 miles from me and it's a w7 in ho box with a jl xd 1k and a battery for $800 i won't lie thats a pretty good deal especially if it works and u could get it for $650 lol..

 
the w7's dont even need glue on the surround lol.

jl makes some of the best high end gear you can get, the w7s have been one of the best since they were released to this day. the price is worth it to some people.

 
whatever... i'd rather have 2 fu, sundown, wolfram, cab, dayton or 30 other brand 12" subs in a nice box with a twisted amp (be louder and sound just as good) than 1- $1,000 12 in jl's stupid custom box.. do they sound good i freakin' hope so for that $ is all i can say.. and again normally it's 5 others on here saying the same thing i'm saying now including jeff but this time he's like they sound good., whatever.. if high end jl was 1/2 price it would still be hard to say it's worth it.. sorry man we just disagree on jl over priced all there is to has been and well be said until they stop charging crazy $ for even 150-300rms subs like they are something..
It's almost like doing actual R&D, owning a large manufacturing facility in the first world, and paying employees average 44K a year instead of a couple bowls of rice a day costs money. And again, you've never auditioned their equipment. Still can't see the value there? Really? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

JL Audio brings manufacturing back from China - Sun Sentinel

Mostly when people here recommend against JL is when the poster is trying to DIY (where they have other equally or more expensive options) or when the guy who wants to "beat down the block" is asking if the W3 is a good choice.

Meanwhile Sundown 600.1 amp has MSRP of 350$ which is mighty close to what you can own a 500/1 for and I'd take the 500/1 every day of the week out of the two. Not everybody shops at the flea market for audio because many of us aren't happy with flea market sound, reliability, and resale value.

actually on the used jl sub i mentioned it's on fb 30 miles from me and it's a w7 in ho box with a jl xd 1k and a battery for $800 i won't lie thats a pretty good deal especially if it works and u could get it for $650 lol..
There's a guy up here that was doing 151 and change with two of those 12W7s on two 1200/1 amps and his car sounds great (JL components and amps all around). Buy the W7 and amp and it'll outperform whatever you have going now be every measure and still be worth what you paid for it in 5 years assuming you don't break it through abuse.

 
yeah w6 and w7 are good subs and many more peeps would own them if they were 1/2 price.. us jobs are great fu makes subs here don't charge $119 for a 1.5" coil in fact the have 2" coil like $59.. can't blame $1000 12 and box on made in usa me and a another guy could start sub box company sell boxes with 1 fu or whatever 12" sub in them for $500 shipped and make profit and thats with me paying full price for subs so whats jl's excuse?

 
yeah w6 and w7 are good subs and many more peeps would own them if they were 1/2 price.. us jobs are great fu makes subs here don't charge $119 for a 1.5" coil in fact the have 2" coil like $59.. can't blame $1000 12 and box on made in usa me and a another guy could start sub box company sell boxes with 1 fu or whatever 12" sub in them for $500 shipped and make profit and thats with me paying full price for subs so whats jl's excuse?
quality control costs money, they dont sell disassembled subs

 
us jobs are great fu makes subs here don't charge $119 for a 1.5" coil in fact the have 2" coil like $59.
Cool, let's see some pictures of their "factory". How many people do they employ? Also implying coil size = cost or quality. Different coil sizes are used to optimize efficiency at different power levels.

Anyway, not knocking FU, but ordering off-the-shelf parts and assembling in your garage isn't really "manufacturing".

$1000 12 and box on made in usa me and a another guy could start sub box company sell boxes with 1 fu or whatever 12" sub in them for $500 shipped and make profit and thats with me paying full price for subs so whats jl's excuse?
What's your excuse? Start up your own company called "2 ohm audio" and sell some off-the-shelf Chinese sub in a box you build and show us all how it's done.

What's your excuse? I find it wildly entertaining when people who are unemeployed have all the answers how to run a business.

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if i run rear speakers off deck power, can they be time aligned, or does it not matter that those are time aligned?
Likely you cannot align the rear without either getting a head unit that'll do it. I'd just disconnect and focus on the front. If you care enough to want time alignment the sort of sound you're after will be harder to get the more point sources (speakers) you use.

Also re-reading your OP I don't know if Clean Sweep does all the processing you want with or without amping all your speakers. For the record, what other lines does that shop carry? Did you check out the New York shop I linked? That guys work looked fantastic, and all things being equal a top tier install with mid tier equipment will beat out just dropping high end equipment in factory locations with no other thoughts given to install.

 
i can run a business i assure u.. running this house/ old folks home/daycare (400 pound disabled bro in law and granddaughter here 1/2 the time) anything else would be easy in comparison u deal with medicare and medicaid, care for bro for years (u don't wants know what's involved in that) get him back out cause he don't like it.. feed care for him and grand daughter and get up leaves/mow grass wash all clothes, buy all grocerys, cook all meals, wrap all pipes, snake drains, make sure heater on so pipes don't freeze, pay all bros bills and deal with doctors,spend 3 hrs week on phone with ins peeps and docs, take him to appts, order his meds, pick up kid at school and normal auto maintenance etc. all for $700 month of which $350 is spent for his stuff.. so trust i'd rater be working and i could do it in my sleep after all this but how would i have time?, only spare time i have is when i'm typing on here when i take a break in between 100 things a day..

 
Thanks all for replies.
if i run rear speakers off deck power, can they be time aligned, or does it not matter that those are time aligned?
Unless you have time align on your deck you cannot. If you are going to be fading forward and only using them for passengers then there is no need. If you want to use them as fill then you might be okay just off of headunit.

 
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