NEED some OPINIONS w7 vs L7

[psych0ticnemes1 5,000+ posts]

If you want to try a 13" W7, then try it. It may not be much less loud than the L7's. In my vehicle, one larger sub performs better because of the limited air space. Whats the worst that could happen, you sell the setup you don't want?

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

x2 yeah i've seen some 13w7's in sealed boxes that are a bit too small and they don't do much at all... but then again i've seen a 10w7 in some kind of tube form ported box push around 145... i've heard of people getting 150 from one but never seen it... just my personal opinion: i just find that at very high levels the L7's seem to let off a generic buzz on all frequencies, possibly because the square form produces an uneven force on the cone mass causeing harmonic distortion a round cone allows for the most even distribution of power over the cone the more vertices you add the harder it is to balance that force, at high volumes esspecially, anyone heard that 18" solox... not very good SQ indeed not much at all from the 5 different setups i've heard... just my opinion... i think that the square forms are hurting kicker yea they are loud due to the increased piston area... but to design a speaker to sound good it doesn't make much sence to make it a square, wish they still made the round ones...

Your posting privelages should be permanently revoked.

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

Doesn't JL make a box designed for the w7 series?

Grinder

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Doesn't JL make a box designed for the w7 series?
Grinder

Prefabs are never your friend. This is because prefabs are not designed around the vehicle, and most aren't even designed around a specific woofer.

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

I agree with that. However, I think JL's is like engineered for their sub? Its on the their site.

Grinder

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

I agree with that. However, I think JL's is like engineered for their sub? Its on the their site.
Grinder

It's still not engineered around the interior characteristics of the vehicle. It's just a less-shitty prefab.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

It's still not engineered around the interior characteristics of the vehicle. It's just a less-shitty prefab.

Dude, what are you talking about?

Just because its "prefab" its crap? First you say its not designed around the sub, uh its from JL for THAT sub. Then you say its not 'engineered around the interior characterisitics'... what? My door panels are gray ABS plastic and I have fuzzy dice hanging from my rearview, how should I have designed my subwoofer enclosure accordingly? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif Unless you are going for a custom SPL rig where you are tuning the enclosure around the vehicle's transfer function (and why would you use a W7 for that), the JL box should work fine. Its just pricey, and make sure it physically fits the space you want it in.

I swear, people these days jump all over the term 'prefab' without even using their head. I even saw a guy the other day make the same arguement against the poor tuning characterisitics in those prefab sealed enclosures. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[haunther]

Personally i think L7's sound like ***

The W7 will give you some of the best sq while hitting some high #'s

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

I'm not a fan of either of these subs. But as stated above, the W7 does have great SQ. Let me take that back, I do like the W7 but would never spend that much money on a sub. Just can't see the value in it to me.

I just plain don't like the L7.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Dude, what are you talking about?
Just because its "prefab" its crap? First you say its not designed around the sub, uh its from JL for THAT sub. Then you say its not 'engineered around the interior characterisitics'... what? My door panels are gray ABS plastic and I have fuzzy dice hanging from my rearview, how should I have designed my subwoofer enclosure accordingly? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif Unless you are going for a custom SPL rig where you are tuning the enclosure around the vehicle's transfer function (and why would you use a W7 for that), the JL box should work fine. Its just pricey, and make sure it physically fits the space you want it in.

I swear, people these days jump all over the term 'prefab' without even using their head. I even saw a guy the other day make the same arguement against the poor tuning characterisitics in those prefab sealed enclosures. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Prefabs are never your friend. This is because prefabs are not designed around the vehicle, and most aren't even designed around a specific woofer.

Please show me where I said that the JL enclosure was not designed around the sub. I have seen alot of information talking about designing enclosures around a vehicle's resonant frequency. If this was specific to SPL competition and I have misinterpreted the info, I apoligize. The reason I mentioned it is because I didn't know which JL box he was referring to(The HO wedge is not a sealed design)I still doubt that the JL box is superior to any other properly designed box, and can guarantee that it is way more expensive.

I therefore alter my argument:

The majority of prefab enclosures are not built around any specific sub. Many use inferior materials are simply a bad buy. The few out there that are properly built and designed around the woofer (ie Manufacturer-built boxes from JL, MTX, Kicker, etc.) are generally too expensive to justify buying. You are better off building the box yourself.

 

[B_Campbell 10+ year member]

I rode in my friends car tonight, he has one w7 10 off 800 watts tuned to 32hz, and sounds **** good to me.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Dude, what are you talking about?
Just because its "prefab" its crap? First you say its not designed around the sub, uh its from JL for THAT sub. Then you say its not 'engineered around the interior characterisitics'... what? My door panels are gray ABS plastic and I have fuzzy dice hanging from my rearview, how should I have designed my subwoofer enclosure accordingly? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif Unless you are going for a custom SPL rig where you are tuning the enclosure around the vehicle's transfer function (and why would you use a W7 for that), the JL box should work fine. Its just pricey, and make sure it physically fits the space you want it in.

I swear, people these days jump all over the term 'prefab' without even using their head. I even saw a guy the other day make the same arguement against the poor tuning characterisitics in those prefab sealed enclosures. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

x2

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Personally i think L7's sound like *** The W7 will give you some of the best sq while hitting some high #'s

another x2

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Please show me where I said that the JL enclosure was not designed around the sub. I have seen alot of information talking about designing enclosures around a vehicle's resonant frequency. If this was specific to SPL competition and I have misinterpreted the info, I apoligize. The reason I mentioned it is because I didn't know which JL box he was referring to(The HO wedge is not a sealed design)I still doubt that the JL box is superior to any other properly designed box, and can guarantee that it is way more expensive.
I therefore alter my argument:

The majority of prefab enclosures are not built around any specific sub. Many use inferior materials are simply a bad buy. The few out there that are properly built and designed around the woofer (ie Manufacturer-built boxes from JL, MTX, Kicker, etc.) are generally too expensive to justify buying. You are better off building the box yourself.

You said prefabs were 'never your friend' followed up with 'most aren't even designed around a specific woofer' so I took that to mean you didn't think this one was. I wasn;t the only one to take it that way. Obviously you meant it otherwise, so noted and Im sorry for jumping to that conclusion.
Yes, the SPL and resonant freq info is true. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Otherwise tuning a ported box for SQ in most systems simply equates to tuning in the low 30's. True SQ systems will use a sealed system for its flatter in-car response, so I guess lets call it SQL. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

The JL boxes Ive seen were good construction (mdf iirc). But Id definitely agree if a person is willing, building their own would be much much cheaper. I cant see justifying buying one of their boxes, but then we all have different pocketbooks, schedules and priorities. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Cheers.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

the thing is... the jl boxes are designed to deliver the best performance of the subs, so it doesn't matter what car its in, that sub is doing its job as good as it can, that said, from cars to suv's to vans jl's prefabs sound better than most people will be able to build a box, they might not be designed around the application but when the performance of the sub is optimal the difference in application is little enough to be neglected, the HO. wedge is worth the money for me... as far as the prowedge, you can make a box just as good knowing the dimensions and save some money