Need some help with t/s params!!!

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Going to be gettin a new sub at the end of the month so the search is on. Ive been thinking bout a 15" RE MX. Now i know what a couple of terms mean, like Fs and Sd, but what bout the others? What is a high Qts or a low Qes. Heres the params for the MX and LMK how it stands as far as high and low.Thanks.

15”

Electrical Q Value -Qes: 0.561

Mechanical Q Value -Qms: 3.098

Total Speaker Q Value -Qts: .475

Free Air Resonance -Fs: 20.775 Hz

Equivalent Compliance -Vas: 166.25 liters

One-Way, Linear Excursion -Xmax: 22 mm

Efficiency - SPL 1W/1m: 86.113 dB SPL

Effective Piston Area -Sd: 810 cm^2

DC Resistance -Re: 1.4 ohm

Nominal Impedance -Znom: Dual 2 ohm ohm

Thermal Power Handling -Pe: 1500 W

Force Factor -Bl: 14.56

 
well im not really sure, but ill try to help since you havent gotten any.

The qts(total Q of a driver) i believe is the resonance of the driver. high qts=more resonate. and the VAS(volume acoustic suspension) is the amount of air that has the same stiffness as the cone.

 
T/S (THIELE/SMALL) PARAMETERS: terms used to describe the characteristics of a given driver. The most common T/S parameters encountered are:

Fs = resonance frequency of the driver. In free-air, the driver's impedance will peak at this frequency.

Pe = Thermal capacity of the driver, in Watts. If continuously driven above its rated Pe, the driver may prematurely burn out and fail.

Qes = Electrical Q of the driver at Fs. Qes is a measure of the driver's tendency to resonate at Fs, based on its electrical characteristics, e.g. magnet strength, magnetic circuit characteristics, etc.). The driver's overall resonance characteristics are usually dominated by Qes.

Qms = Mechanical Q of the driver at Fs. Qms is a measure of the driver's tendency to resonate at Fs, based on its mechanical characteristics, e.g. surround compliance, the compliance of the spider, weight of the cone, etc.

Qts = Total Q of the driver at Fs. Qts is a measure of the driver's tendency to resonate at Fs, based on its overall characteristics. Qts can be calculated using the equation:

Qts= Qms*Qes/(Qms+Qes))

Re = DC resistance of the driver's voice coil. Re is less than the driver's rated impedance (normally 4 or 8 ohms).

Sd = Effective surface area of the driver. Roughly equal to the area of the cone plus 1/3rd of the surround.

Xmag = [DUMAX] Excursion limit due to the magnetic limitations of the driver's motor. Xmag is defined as the displacement at which the BL product has fallen to 70% of its value at the cone's rest position.

Xmech = Maximum physical excursion capability of the driver. Exceeding Xmech normally results in damage to the driver.

Xsus = [DUMAX] Excursion limit due to the driver's suspension. Xsus is defined as the point at which the compliance of the suspension has decreased to 25% of the value at the cone's rest position.

Xmax = Linear (one-way) travel of the cone. Xmax is used to determine the maximum linear SPL capability of the driver, and can be defined in a number of ways. The DUMAX definition is objectively the best one, and it is defined as the shorter of the Xmag and Xsus values, in each direction of cone travel. This definition is more useful than the older definition of Xmax, which was solely dependent on the length of the voice-coil vs. the length of the gap.

Vas = Equivalent air compliance. The volume of air that has the same compliance ("springiness") as the driver's suspension. Because less air is more "springy" than more air, a large Vas represents a "loose" suspension

Vd = Peak displacement volume. Vd = Sd*Xmax

 
T/S (THIELE/SMALL) PARAMETERS: terms used to describe the characteristics of a given driver. The most common T/S parameters encountered are:
Fs = resonance frequency of the driver. In free-air, the driver's impedance will peak at this frequency.

Pe = Thermal capacity of the driver, in Watts. If continuously driven above its rated Pe, the driver may prematurely burn out and fail.

Qes = Electrical Q of the driver at Fs. Qes is a measure of the driver's tendency to resonate at Fs, based on its electrical characteristics, e.g. magnet strength, magnetic circuit characteristics, etc.). The driver's overall resonance characteristics are usually dominated by Qes.

Qms = Mechanical Q of the driver at Fs. Qms is a measure of the driver's tendency to resonate at Fs, based on its mechanical characteristics, e.g. surround compliance, the compliance of the spider, weight of the cone, etc.

Qts = Total Q of the driver at Fs. Qts is a measure of the driver's tendency to resonate at Fs, based on its overall characteristics. Qts can be calculated using the equation:

Qts= Qms*Qes/(Qms+Qes))

Re = DC resistance of the driver's voice coil. Re is less than the driver's rated impedance (normally 4 or 8 ohms).

Sd = Effective surface area of the driver. Roughly equal to the area of the cone plus 1/3rd of the surround.

Xmag = [DUMAX] Excursion limit due to the magnetic limitations of the driver's motor. Xmag is defined as the displacement at which the BL product has fallen to 70% of its value at the cone's rest position.

Xmech = Maximum physical excursion capability of the driver. Exceeding Xmech normally results in damage to the driver.

Xsus = [DUMAX] Excursion limit due to the driver's suspension. Xsus is defined as the point at which the compliance of the suspension has decreased to 25% of the value at the cone's rest position.

Xmax = Linear (one-way) travel of the cone. Xmax is used to determine the maximum linear SPL capability of the driver, and can be defined in a number of ways. The DUMAX definition is objectively the best one, and it is defined as the shorter of the Xmag and Xsus values, in each direction of cone travel. This definition is more useful than the older definition of Xmax, which was solely dependent on the length of the voice-coil vs. the length of the gap.

Vas = Equivalent air compliance. The volume of air that has the same compliance ("springiness") as the driver's suspension. Because less air is more "springy" than more air, a large Vas represents a "loose" suspension

Vd = Peak displacement volume. Vd = Sd*Xmax
Thanks, very helpfull. Now that i know what they mean what is high and what is low given the MX's params. And if it is low or high what should the number be around?

 
Thanks, very helpfull. Now that i know what they mean what is high and what is low given the MX's params. And if it is low or high what should the number be around?
I have always thought the MX has a unusally low x-max number being that it has been compared to the old XXX. Does this have somthing to do with the neo motor, or some weird top plate? Does it measure differently? We havnt had the oppurtunity to play with one yet. It says in REs lit that it was designed for ultra high excursion.

 
I have always thought the MX has a unusally low x-max number being that it has been compared to the old XXX. Does this have somthing to do with the neo motor, od some weird top plate? Does it measure differently? We havnt had the oppurtunity to play with one yet. It says in REs lit that it was designed for ultra high excursion.
Ive thought the samething. ANd they do say that about the ultra high excursion, but its only 22mm one way. xmax isnt everything, but its nice to see it move a lot.

 
Ok mang

Qts is the overall "Q" of the driver

Qts usually will tell you what type of enclosure a subwoofer is going to perform well in

A mid to low Q .4 or less is going to be ok in a ported box

.3 or lower you can probably go IB with it

anything over.45 I wouldn't personally port, it will tend to have a peaky response

Mechanical Q =Qms

Electrical q= Qes

Overall Q = Qts

Qts is an equations of both Qms and Qes

Vas is the equivalent of air equal to the suspensions stiffness

Bl isa measurement is Tesla Meters, and I believe is the force factor or strength of a motor

CT

 
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