So what's your point? That adding a capacitor bank will automatically set world records, that these people couldn't have done what they did without capacitors, or that pulling the battery(s) and allowing things to run off just the caps will not tell you precisely how much and how long they're actually doing anything?
They all got louder when switching to caps, so my point is that caps as discussed in here work.
you guys ever heard of maxwell caps? a guy local to me runs them.. they help out significantly.
I really think that statement does not tell the whole story about how, by how much, and under what limitations they are useful. What kind of gains? At what size/cost investment in a large enough bank? Would they gain the same from more batteries or more runs of wire but are limited on batteries in their class? You'll notice the only point I was trying to make on the subject is that you can find out exactly how much energy your capacitors store by unplugging them and see how long things stay powered on using just them. I've never said that a large enough bank wouldn't do something, but I would maintain that almost everybody on this forum is no where near the point where that will be the best investment of resources and time for a gain.
Why don't you start a thread explaining the benefit of a capacitor bank. Give some actual numbers, test data, and proper application. Statements like "world record holders use caps" and "they help significantly" will mislead a whole lot more people than they help, I assure you.
For the last time capacitors are not designed for mass energy storage. If you would like a test that shows what they are useful for apply a heavy load with and without a good cap bank watching the voltage on an oscilloscope. With just a battery there will be a voltage drop, it may be brief but it's measurable. Batteries cannot provide instantaneous power, which for the record caps cannot either but they are much faster.
Bro I agree with you.. If you say anything about caps being good to 95% of the dumbasses on here they'll go get one..
I agree. Nice to see peoole if I was buying something I wouldn't have to make them ship first lol
Those would be the caps I'm referring to, maxwells seem to be what most of the SPL guys are using. One guy on my team just bought a bank but hasn't tested them out yet.
That data already exists on another forum, go and read it if you want specific info. There is no misleading, 99% of this forum doesn't need them, those that do are smart enough to find the info they need.
Thank you.I'll go ahead and chime in the capacitor debate.
The caps we are using for competition these days (yes, I use them) are nothing like the caps we were all used to.
There's my bank of capacitors.
Each one of those caps are 2600 farad each. Yes, you read that correctly. TWO THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED FARAD. Most people are normally used to seeing capacitors in the 1 to 20 farad range. Each of those caps are 2.5v each, thus I have to wire six in series to give me proper voltage (15v). This knocks the farads down to 433 farad per bank. Still 20x more than what most n00bs or stereo shops would try to use.
I'll give you some real world testing to back up their performance benefits.
I used to run 6 group 31 batteries and a 340 amp alternator. On a full tilt burp with two B2 zero1's I would drop from 15v to ~12.8v with the car running. I clamped about 9kw out of that setup. I switched to 5 capacitor banks (433 farad each, 2600/6) and NO alternator. My voltage would drop from 15v to 14.3v. No, I'm not joking there either. 7/10 of a volt. Also, I clamped over 12kw out of my amps. All that with no alternator and no other batteries.
In all, my 5 cap banks weigh about 30 pounds. I removed 350 pounds worth of batteries, gained voltage and gained 40% more wattage. If that's not some hard evidence, I don't know what is. Oh, and I also gained .5 db, which has turned into more since I started testing some more.
The big trade off here is that they do not have the reserve of a battery bank. Whereas a battery will last a long time before dipping below 12v, caps can drop off much faster once they are pushed hard. I can get a few burps off of them before they dip below 13v, but in a musical setup where the drain is constant they will not last as long as batteries.
These caps are used mainly in burp cars where instantaneous power is needed. In order to get the same reserve as batts you would need a LOT of caps. Both setups have their place in the audio world.
hispls, if you have any questions feel free to ask. There is a large thread on another forum that goes into great detail about them.
people think they are just ****** car audio capacitors, thats why lol
Phhhht....... noobI'll go ahead and chime in the capacitor debate.
The caps we are using for competition these days (yes, I use them) are nothing like the caps we were all used to.
There's my bank of capacitors.
Each one of those caps are 2600 farad each. Yes, you read that correctly. TWO THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED FARAD. Most people are normally used to seeing capacitors in the 1 to 20 farad range. Each of those caps are 2.5v each, thus I have to wire six in series to give me proper voltage (15v). This knocks the farads down to 433 farad per bank. Still 20x more than what most n00bs or stereo shops would try to use.
I'll give you some real world testing to back up their performance benefits.
I used to run 6 group 31 batteries and a 340 amp alternator. On a full tilt burp with two B2 zero1's I would drop from 15v to ~12.8v with the car running. I clamped about 9kw out of that setup. I switched to 5 capacitor banks (433 farad each, 2600/6) and NO alternator. My voltage would drop from 15v to 14.3v. No, I'm not joking there either. 7/10 of a volt. Also, I clamped over 12kw out of my amps. All that with no alternator and no other batteries.
In all, my 5 cap banks weigh about 30 pounds. I removed 350 pounds worth of batteries, gained voltage and gained 40% more wattage. If that's not some hard evidence, I don't know what is. Oh, and I also gained .5 db, which has turned into more since I started testing some more.
The big trade off here is that they do not have the reserve of a battery bank. Whereas a battery will last a long time before dipping below 12v, caps can drop off much faster once they are pushed hard. I can get a few burps off of them before they dip below 13v, but in a musical setup where the drain is constant they will not last as long as batteries.
These caps are used mainly in burp cars where instantaneous power is needed. In order to get the same reserve as batts you would need a LOT of caps. Both setups have their place in the audio world.
hispls, if you have any questions feel free to ask. There is a large thread on another forum that goes into great detail about them.
