manual cars are the sh1t

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

I bought a new car and its a 5speed, I have more control over it, I can go fast sometimes and save gas other times but I will agree that driving through alabama on the south end ******, 2miles-light 2miles-light over and over and over, got oldddd. lol

You must be comparing this to your chevette...in which case yes, your g5 would be fast. But in no way is that a fast car otherwise

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

No quite simply, No 94 s4 had any electronic stability or traction control. period. OH, and you can turn mine off with a button press.

What proof do you have (serious question)? I can feel it kicking in when the car begins to lose traction...Unless that's not what ESP is? There's a light that says "ESP off" when I turn on the diff lock...

Now you just sound like an idiot. It's not a SUPERCHARGER, its a TURBOCHARGER. It runs on exhaust thus doesn't decrease the power like a supercharger does. The reason it's benefits are better as the RPMS go up is because the exhaust driving the rotor is proportionate to the RPM level. But it's benefits are still existent below 3000 indeed. I guess thats why the GT-R which has a VERY similar engine to the 370z, gets almost twice the 0-60 time using twin turbos? haha.

Bruh, I'm not a retard. I know a helluva lot more about turbos than you. A turbo, pre-boost, is essential an extra mufflers. Mufflers sap power. This is also why turbo vehicles are quieter than their naturally aspirated equivalents. You would be correct that Superchargers sap more power from an engine than turbos, but no, turbos do actually use some power to make power (just not as much as SC's).

All that aside, your argument is still retarded because how much of that 0-60 run are you going to be spending under 3k? There is a lag with turbos, but its only a lag in the boost pressure while the turbine spins up, not a lag in engine power.

We were talking about low end torque at that moment, not 0-60 times. In a 0-60 launch, 95% of the time I would be boosting.

Yes, i'm sure they do walk up to you while your kicking it with your local car club who all drive old civics with body kits and 3 different colors. Your car must look like a Ferrari to them! I hate white, and pearl white looks like like something a 50year old mary-kay saleslady would drive. I prefer my pearl black. And that old *** body style will never look brand new.

I don't hang around with ricers, I despise them and wouldn't let my car be dumbed down by them. I don't even have enough time to go to car clubs. I'm talking casual, A-B situations. The paint is a much higher grade paint than yours, that was the point I was getting at. Audi paint around that era was always like 5000 coats thick, and it showed.

 

And what does it matter if it looks new? Will a Lamborghini Miura ever look new? Will a Shelby Cobra ever look new? No, and no, but they are still MUCH better looking than your car. Like my car, they are timeless body styles that are a far cry from the Niki Minaj fat ass that your car has.

Warranty and resale are the reasons to buy newer, i mean not to mention the fact that its NEWER. MUSTANGS ARE *****! end.

My car has little room to depreciate, and I can buy it 3 times over just to match how much you paid for yours, sooo...the warranty and resale are useless. What does the fact that it is new have to do with anything? And your argument about Mustangs is useless. That's like if instead of this whole argument, I just said "ECLIPSES ARE *****! end".

no because the bandwagon is to be a "hater" not to say ooo nice car, notice no one in this thread has commented on how "nice" your car is.

Exactly, because nobody likes your car. How do you think that bandwagon was started? And notice how no one in this thread has commented on how "bad" my car is? Funny thing is, they said that about yours.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

What proof do you have (serious question)? I can feel it kicking in when the car begins to lose traction...Unless that's not what ESP is? There's a light that says "ESP off" when I turn on the diff lock...

Proof? Ummm how bout the fact that electronic stability control "ESP" as Audi calls it (Electronic stability program,) DID NOT exist in a production model of ANYTHING until 1995. And if i'm not mistaken not in audi until a few years later.

Bosch - ESP ? driving safety into the future

Electronic Stability Control - Wikicars

You are either lying, Or too stupid to realize your car isn't a 1994. Either wouldn't surprise me.

Bruh, I'm not a retard. I know a helluva lot more about turbos than you. A turbo, pre-boost, is essential an extra mufflers. Mufflers sap power. This is also why turbo vehicles are quieter than their naturally aspirated equivalents. You would be correct that Superchargers sap more power from an engine than turbos, but no, turbos do actually use some power to make power (just not as much as SC's).

Are you sure? No turbo's don't use engine power exactly, they use exhaust pressure. Exhaust is essentially engine waste, the only thing a turbo does is slightly increase exhaust back pressure which accounts for at most (if you didn't do something stupid) a 2-3 hp loss. and besides that your valves need a specific amount of back pressure meaning you would have to re-tune and likely could account for the gain of back pressure with exhaust systems.

All of this is forgetting the fact that this is the case when installing after-market turbos. Obviously the stock exhaust system in a non-turbo engine wasn't designed to accommodate a turbo.

Yours however, IS a factory turbo, meaning that the exhaust system was pre-paired with the turbo to supply the optimal amount of exhaust back pressure to the engine.

In a nutshell, this means you are wrong. You would see dramatic losses at EVERY RPM level where your measly 2.2 i5 naturally aspirated. You truly are an idiot if you can't see that.

We were talking about low end torque at that moment, not 0-60 times. In a 0-60 launch, 95% of the time I would be boosting.

Read above, low end torque would be the same or worse, just because you don't get the full effects of boosting until the turbo spins up for a split second doesn't mean it doesn't give better low-end performance.

I don't hang around with ricers, I despise them and wouldn't let my car be dumbed down by them. I don't even have enough time to go to car clubs. I'm talking casual, A-B situations. The paint is a much higher grade paint than yours, that was the point I was getting at. Audi paint around that era was always like 5000 coats thick, and it showed.

 

Paint is a higher grade? now your just pulling stuff out your az. There was a recall on a specific lot of black eclipses due to an error in the mixing process, mine wasn't included and as you can see from photos, my car shines more than most brand new cars. I don't think any manufacturer has ever painted a car 5000 coats, in fact id wager the highest number to be about 5 or 6.

 

And what does it matter if it looks new? Will a Lamborghini Miura ever look new? Will a Shelby Cobra ever look new? No, and no, but they are still MUCH better looking than your car. Like my car, they are timeless body styles that are a far cry from the Niki Minaj fat ass that your car has.

All that is pure opinion, not an ounce of fact to it, thus I won't address it. There are alot of people who have said my car it one of the prettiest they've ever seen. and nothing else looks like it, i think your car looks just like every other early 90's car. Your comparing your '94 $4000 audio to a lambo miura for a timeless body style? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is a car that goes for around $600,000 - $700,000. A little delusional are we? Your car isn't timeless, its poop. and will be as it ages. bahahaha thanks for the good laugh

My car has little room to depreciate, and I can buy it 3 times over just to match how much you paid for yours, sooo...the warranty and resale are useless. What does the fact that it is new have to do with anything? And your argument about Mustangs is useless. That's like if instead of this whole argument, I just said "ECLIPSES ARE *****! end".

Warranty and resale are the reason I can trade mine in for another newer car pretty soon, and always have something i don't have to worry about shelling massive money out on every time it breaks down. For that matter i have a 1986 POS that i still keep and drive with a resale value of about 500$. because i recognize the difference between the luxury of a new car and the practicality of an old one.

Exactly, because nobody likes your car. How do you think that bandwagon was started? And notice how no one in this thread has commented on how "bad" my car is? Funny thing is, they said that about yours.

Correction: no one in this thread likes it. Apparently no one likes yours either. Check out my build log, plenty of pages of comments on it there. it's to each is own, and you are retarded and think you know way more than you really due, just like most "classic" car fanatics.

 

[BlactimusCrime 10+ year member]

Wrong and Wrong. Actually no type of electronic stability control was used by manufacturers in production until 95 and it was limited at that.

Really? because my 93 Towncar has both ABS and traction control which are forms of electronic stability control

but back to the original topic, ill never buy another auto. manuals ftmfw. you dont have near the control with an auto, nor can you really feel the power. dont praise autos until youve grabbed gears in a V8 muscle car for comparison, it lets you appreciate the vehicle more.

edit: btw, id much rather have Dylans Audi than the nicest mitsuBITCHi Eclipse.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Really? because my 93 Towncar has both ABS and traction control which are forms of electronic stability control
but back to the original topic, ill never buy another auto. manuals ftmfw. you dont have near the control with an auto, nor can you really feel the power. dont praise autos until youve grabbed gears in a V8 muscle car for comparison, it lets you appreciate the vehicle more.

edit: btw, id much rather have Dylans Audi than the nicest mitsuBITCHi Eclipse.

STFU and GTFO ABS and ESP or ESC are not the same thing moron.

And you are worstenemy, no one cares what you think.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Really? because my 93 Towncar has both ABS and traction control which are forms of electronic stability control
but back to the original topic, ill never buy another auto. manuals ftmfw. you dont have near the control with an auto, nor can you really feel the power. dont praise autos until youve grabbed gears in a V8 muscle car for comparison, it lets you appreciate the vehicle more.

edit: btw, id much rather have Dylans Audi than the nicest mitsuBITCHi Eclipse.

STFU and GTFO ABS and ESP or ESC are not the same thing moron.

And you are worstenemy, no one cares what you think.

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

This may as well be the single most pointless and worthless argument ever to occur on the internetz.

 

[chillin 10+ year member]

Cot jones, you're a little off on your turbo argument. The thing about havving a turbo on the car is that it is never on the same stock engine. To accommodate the extra pressure a turbo has, the compression is lowered in a turbo vehicle which means the engine actually has less power.

For example my old 300zx had a 3 liter engine with a compression ratio of 10:1 from what i remember, however the turbo model's engine has a ratio of 7.8:1. Without the turbo, which includes lag below 3000, that engine has less power.

 

[BlactimusCrime 10+ year member]

STFU and GTFO ABS and ESP or ESC are not the same thing moron.
And you are worstenemy, no one cares what you think.

read what i typed. i did not say "same as" i said "form of" the only difference between the system on my lincoln and esc is that esc aids while steering. they are very similar.

trust me, i know more about automobiles than you could dream of knowing.

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

read what i typed. i did not say "same as" i said "form of" the only difference between the system on my lincoln and esc is that esc aids while steering. they are very similar.trust me, i know more about automobiles than you could dream of knowing.

This ^^^

 

[Bettr n' Revrse 5,000+ posts]

Manual for cars and auto for trucks! of course Im a diesel guy so auto is the only way to go in a truck in that aspect

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Manual for cars and auto for trucks! of course Im a diesel guy so auto is the only way to go in a truck in that aspect

I fail to see your correlation between an automatic, and a diesel engine. You realize most large trucks, and by large I mean bigger than a pickup, use a manual transmission behind their diesel engine, right?

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

No quite simply, No 94 s4 had any electronic stability or traction control. period. OH, and you can turn mine off with a button press.
What proof do you have (serious question)? I can feel it kicking in when the car begins to lose traction...Unless that's not what ESP is? There's a light that says "ESP off" when I turn on the diff lock...

Now you just sound like an idiot. It's not a SUPERCHARGER, its a TURBOCHARGER. It runs on exhaust thus doesn't decrease the power like a supercharger does. The reason it's benefits are better as the RPMS go up is because the exhaust driving the rotor is proportionate to the RPM level. But it's benefits are still existent below 3000 indeed. I guess thats why the GT-R which has a VERY similar engine to the 370z, gets almost twice the 0-60 time using twin turbos? haha.

Bruh, I'm not a retard. I know a helluva lot more about turbos than you. A turbo, pre-boost, is essential an extra mufflers. Mufflers sap power. This is also why turbo vehicles are quieter than their naturally aspirated equivalents. You would be correct that Superchargers sap more power from an engine than turbos, but no, turbos do actually use some power to make power (just not as much as SC's).

All that aside, your argument is still retarded because how much of that 0-60 run are you going to be spending under 3k? There is a lag with turbos, but its only a lag in the boost pressure while the turbine spins up, not a lag in engine power.

We were talking about low end torque at that moment, not 0-60 times. In a 0-60 launch, 95% of the time I would be boosting.

Yes, i'm sure they do walk up to you while your kicking it with your local car club who all drive old civics with body kits and 3 different colors. Your car must look like a Ferrari to them! I hate white, and pearl white looks like like something a 50year old mary-kay saleslady would drive. I prefer my pearl black. And that old *** body style will never look brand new.

I don't hang around with ricers, I despise them and wouldn't let my car be dumbed down by them. I don't even have enough time to go to car clubs. I'm talking casual, A-B situations. The paint is a much higher grade paint than yours, that was the point I was getting at. Audi paint around that era was always like 5000 coats thick, and it showed.

 

And what does it matter if it looks new? Will a Lamborghini Miura ever look new? Will a Shelby Cobra ever look new? No, and no, but they are still MUCH better looking than your car. Like my car, they are timeless body styles that are a far cry from the Niki Minaj fat ass that your car has.

Warranty and resale are the reasons to buy newer, i mean not to mention the fact that its NEWER. MUSTANGS ARE *****! end.

My car has little room to depreciate, and I can buy it 3 times over just to match how much you paid for yours, sooo...the warranty and resale are useless. What does the fact that it is new have to do with anything? And your argument about Mustangs is useless. That's like if instead of this whole argument, I just said "ECLIPSES ARE *****! end".

no because the bandwagon is to be a "hater" not to say ooo nice car, notice no one in this thread has commented on how "nice" your car is.

Exactly, because nobody likes your car. How do you think that bandwagon was started? And notice how no one in this thread has commented on how "bad" my car is? Funny thing is, they said that about yours.

Proof? Ummm how bout the fact that electronic stability control "ESP" as Audi calls it (Electronic stability program,) DID NOT exist in a production model of ANYTHING until 1995. And if i'm not mistaken not in audi until a few years later.
Bosch - ESP ? driving safety into the future

Electronic Stability Control - Wikicars

You are either lying, Or too stupid to realize your car isn't a 1994. Either wouldn't surprise me.

Are you sure? No turbo's don't use engine power exactly, they use exhaust pressure. Exhaust is essentially engine waste, the only thing a turbo does is slightly increase exhaust back pressure which accounts for at most (if you didn't do something stupid) a 2-3 hp loss. and besides that your valves need a specific amount of back pressure meaning you would have to re-tune and likely could account for the gain of back pressure with exhaust systems.

All of this is forgetting the fact that this is the case when installing after-market turbos. Obviously the stock exhaust system in a non-turbo engine wasn't designed to accommodate a turbo.

Yours however, IS a factory turbo, meaning that the exhaust system was pre-paired with the turbo to supply the optimal amount of exhaust back pressure to the engine.

In a nutshell, this means you are wrong. You would see dramatic losses at EVERY RPM level where your measly 2.2 i5 naturally aspirated. You truly are an idiot if you can't see that.

Read above, low end torque would be the same or worse, just because you don't get the full effects of boosting until the turbo spins up for a split second doesn't mean it doesn't give better low-end performance.

Paint is a higher grade? now your just pulling stuff out your az. There was a recall on a specific lot of black eclipses due to an error in the mixing process, mine wasn't included and as you can see from photos, my car shines more than most brand new cars. I don't think any manufacturer has ever painted a car 5000 coats, in fact id wager the highest number to be about 5 or 6.

All that is pure opinion, not an ounce of fact to it, thus I won't address it. There are alot of people who have said my car it one of the prettiest they've ever seen. and nothing else looks like it, i think your car looks just like every other early 90's car. Your comparing your '94 $4000 audio to a lambo miura for a timeless body style? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is a car that goes for around $600,000 - $700,000. A little delusional are we? Your car isn't timeless, its poop. and will be as it ages. bahahaha thanks for the good laugh

Warranty and resale are the reason I can trade mine in for another newer car pretty soon, and always have something i don't have to worry about shelling massive money out on every time it breaks down. For that matter i have a 1986 POS that i still keep and drive with a resale value of about 500$. because i recognize the difference between the luxury of a new car and the practicality of an old one.

Correction: no one in this thread likes it. Apparently no one likes yours either. Check out my build log, plenty of pages of comments on it there. it's to each is own, and you are retarded and think you know way more than you really due, just like most "classic" car fanatics.

thats too much reading for a blind person //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Its even too much to scroll through, my finger gets tired half way through. So stop quoting it.

 

[Techmaster05 10+ year member]

Manuals may be fun, but wait a year, you'll get tired of it. When your just driving home from a day of work, you just want to relax, and not worry bout shifting.