manual cars are the sh1t

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

youll get tired of it i did and swaped to a auto...bumper to bumper traffic will make you wish you didnt have a clutch

I drive bumper to bumper traffic errday to and from work. Still wouldn't trade it for an autotragic for the life of me.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You know what i mean, yes Manuals are still used but largely because there are still too many idiots like some of them on this forum who think not shifting a manual means they have no balls. More and more of the big racing and exotic cars are going to the slap shift type , tiptronic, etc. And i'm calling it more of an automatic because there is no manually depressed clutch, you shift with a button press. but i'm referring specifically to the type of Dual-clutched ****** in the GT-R and the similar one in the Veyron. But anyway thats why I was referring to it as a semi-automatic, which is what they are referred to as in general. I've never once heard anyone call them a semi-manual, so i don't know what you were trying to get at there.I wasn't mistakingly calling them anything, thats what they are.

In a debate over manual versus automatics, its simply wrong to place a dual-clutch in the automatic ****** column just because its referred to as a 'semi-automatic'. Even if the dual-clutch is controlled electronically or pneumatically, via a button, you are still controlling shift points manually. In other words, you can control shifting to suit the situation. Even electronic automatics with adjustable shift points (via the ECM) do not have this ability. This is why I find your conclusion that manual transmissions are 'old news' to be false.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

In a debate over manual versus automatics, its simply wrong to place a dual-clutch in the automatic ****** column just because its referred to as a 'semi-automatic'. Even if the dual-clutch is controlled electronically or pneumatically, via a button, you are still controlling shift points manually. In other words, you can control shifting to suit the situation. Even electronic automatics with adjustable shift points (via the ECM) do not have this ability. This is why I find your conclusion that manual transmissions are 'old news' to be false.

Well sure when you put it that way, but you know I was referring to a standard clutched manual. They've pretty much reached their peak. That's why they are old news, because much more efficient and faster methods already exist. A car that can shift in 150ms makes pushing a clutch with your foot obsolete functionally. And why is it fun? Pushing a clutch is fun? Hell I don't think so. Sure I get used to doing it and even feel wrong not doing it, but that doesn't mean I don't understand its a hassle, and an unnecessary hassle at that.

 

[stangman67 10+ year member]

I'll also never drive an auto again. My mustang was an auto for the first 5 years I had it. Put a tremec t5 in it, whole different animal. 10 times as fun to drive. My focus is a manual too, autos just get boring to drive

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Well sure when you put it that way, but you know I was referring to a standard clutched manual. They've pretty much reached their peak. That's why they are old news, because much more efficient and faster methods already exist. A car that can shift in 150ms makes pushing a clutch with your foot obsolete functionally. And why is it fun? Pushing a clutch is fun? Hell I don't think so. Sure I get used to doing it and even feel wrong not doing it, but that doesn't mean I don't understand its a hassle, and an unnecessary hassle at that.

Can you slip the clutch when it auto shifts? No. If you had more driving experience, you'd understand why that can be important.

 

[stangman67 10+ year member]

I enjoy your standard clutch transmissions, just because it is more of a driving experience, you are controlling everything rather than pushing a paddle and letting the computer do the work. Sure normal manuals might be a bit slower but it is worth it for amount of control you have

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

Can you slip the clutch when it auto shifts? No. If you had more driving experience, you'd understand why that can be important.

This ^

If all that matters to you is the TECHNICAL application of manuals, then this is why they are superior.

Once again, in an above post, you mentioned how fast a car can shift with an $80k autotragic. One of these days you will look back and realize how pointless this is and how little it matters outside of a racetrack.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

Cotjones : cars & car audio

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proximity : politics

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I have active stability control, probably just as many airbags (although idc honestly),

Wrong and Wrong. Actually no type of electronic stability control was used by manufacturers in production until 95 and it was limited at that. your car was not an included model to receive it. And Mitsubishi has actually pretty much revolutionized the Electronic stability control field since then. Side and torso airbags also came after your car's time except in one or 2 cases.

and you're a total dumb shit if you think turbochargers give better low end. That is nowhere near the case, in fact it's nearly the direct opposite.

And no ***, thats not what I was saying, I was saying your's probably has a little better low end BECAUSE its turboed, in other words "your inline 5 would be smoked off the line without turbo." But i'm guessing yours is quite a bit lighter too. My comments proved near accurate i'm seeing 0-60 times for mine stock around 6.5 and yours is showing up in the 6.2's. Yet mine is running the quarter mile around .6 seconds better that yours. and topping out at around 145 compared to your 130, (of course both are limited.)

You're interior is nowhere near as comfortable as mine,

Subjective, I've preferred my interior to most other cars i've driven. It's very comfortable to me.

and you again would be absolutely wrong if you thought mine doesn't get any respect. I get plenty of people who know what they are talking about when it comes to cars talk about how understated and classy my car is. All you get is ricers who are like "Yo dood dats a sick whip mang you should get a huge exhaust and spoiler for that clean look mang". No self-respecting car enthusiast would ever appreciate a car with an ass larger than your mother's.

So you are really going to try to tell me RANDOM people you don't know have walked up just to comment on that old-*** looking car which isn't even that pretty on its cleanest days. It looks like every other generic mid-90's car. And mine is stock, no big exhaust and no spoiler. I think (along with alot of people) that it's a very pretty and flashy car, and it turns heads. It doesn't look like many other cars. It's far from generic looking.

And no, I did not pay twice as much, I paid 1/3 of what you paid for your car. I would have been out of my mind to spend any money on a brand new car. You walk them off the lot and they lose half their value. And if it was 10 years from now, your car would be about $5k, and mine would be $2k. So still, no comparison. Finally, yes, I can, and just did dog the value of your car. There's a good reason why so few of them are on the road. They were only DECENT at best upon release, and soon fell terribly far behind the competition. I don't see any reason why you would buy that over a similarly price Mustang GT, because it will perform considerably better, be cheaper to fix, and not look like a vagina.

You also got no good warranty or resale value, I can still trade mine in for a good penny and not have to shell much for repairs. And "similarly priced mustang GT's"? only just recently has the Mustang finally come up to par, and i'm talking about the latest big V6's those old V8's are garbage. and you will NEEEEEVER EVVVVERR catch me in any mustang.What does better than mine at the same year for less money? PLEASE answer me that. Show me some numbers that say there was a better value for the performance and options I got. (same year with similar warranties and such.)

So here we are again. You still think that people drive manuals for the Peen factor, and you still think your car is cool and a good value. You are still wrong on all fronts. People drive manuals because it makes driving FUN. I fall asleep driving automatics through mountain roads, it's boring as all hell. All you do is steer and accelerate. I can do the same things in any video game, and with less risk. How fast the shifts are done is absolutely 100% irrelevant, unless you are racing. All that gives is little ricers like you the opportunity to throw numbers out to increase your Peen.

Mine is a manual idioth! That doesn't mean I cant see that a faster shift = better performance. I hate pure auto's, but the GT-R transmission as audioholic has been making clear, is not an automatic.

Why don't you ask any one of our forum members...ANY of them. Ask them if they think your car was a good buy for $12k when you could have gotten more for $8k less. Ask them if they think that shift times matter for everyday driving. I will sit back and enjoy the laughter from those you ask. I still have yet to see any person on this forum support your car in the least, and you continue to deny it...

Why would anyone support my car when its easier to sit back and join the crowd, what benefit does that give anyone when many of them drive as equally old and valueless pieces as you do? It's a perfectly good value and nice car, just keep denying it and prising your 1994 turd (lol really i'm just kidding, I like the S4, but i'm proving a point.) It's to each his own but your grounds for dissing my car are very nonsensical.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

The bottom line is Cot, your car has all that electronic driving control technology because Mitsubishi knew 90% of their owners would be women, and they need all the driving help they can get.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

The bottom line is Cot, your car has all that electronic driving control technology because Mitsubishi knew 90% of their owners would be women, and they need all the driving help they can get.

lulz

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

It may not be the same kind as yours, but my car has a form of stability control. I don't pay attention to the technical terms.

No, my car would be FASTER in the lower rpms without a turbo, because turbo's use power to make power. They don't give any benefit to the engine until after 3k (in most cars). The car would be faster up until 3k were it not a turbo, but it more than makes up for it afterwards.

My car is actually 200lbs+ heavier than yours! Yet is still is faster to 60mph. They sure have come far in 12 years eh?

Yes, random people have walked up and complimented my car, and do all the time. It's because true car-people understand how classy the car is and how good of a drivers car it is. Your car is just every ricer boy's dream. No true car enthusiast would respect your car. My paint is about 10x nicer than yours as well, pearl white ftw. It shines even in the dark, makes it look brand new. All I need to do is sand down the lips of my wheels because they were corroded by salted Spokane roads, and it will look as new as your 06 does.

The warranty doesn't matter, because even if my car decided to spontaneously combust into ashes, I still could buy two more before I have paid as much as you did for your car! Sell-back value is irrelevant, because I can get just as much out of my car a year later as I did when I bought it.

Tell me again why Mustang V8's are worthless? Even a 2000 Mustang GT performs better than your car, and is way more fun to drive. You can pick one up for about $5k right now.

It's not an automatic, but it doesn't have a clutch. As I said before, I can shift with buttons on my PS3 controller. Big whoop-de-fuckin-do.

Join the crowd? So it appears you have admitted that there is a vast majority of people that think that you wasted your money or that your car is a vagina. Maybe were it only one or two people, it wouldn't matter. But as many people that have said so, it should become obvious to you by now that you got the wrong car.

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

The bottom line is Cot, your car has all that electronic driving control technology because Mitsubishi knew 90% of their owners would be women, and they need all the driving help they can get.

Hahaha //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif Win.

My car has stability control (that I am able to switch off I may add) because it is meant to handle any form of inclement weather with ease. I don't know why, but Audi decided to take it up a very steep and difficult mountain road...without tires. And it made it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif There is a video on youtube of it...

In all seriousness though, it is an extremely capable car in any weather condition, and isn't when you don't want it to be (such as when you find a large open parking lot on a rainy day...videos are to follow //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

It may not be the same kind as yours, but my car has a form of stability control. I don't pay attention to the technical terms.

No quite simply, No 94 s4 had any electronic stability or traction control. period. OH, and you can turn mine off with a button press.

No, my car would be FASTER in the lower rpms without a turbo, because turbo's use power to make power. They don't give any benefit to the engine until after 3k (in most cars). The car would be faster up until 3k were it not a turbo, but it more than makes up for it afterwards.
My car is actually 200lbs+ heavier than yours! Yet is still is faster to 60mph. They sure have come far in 12 years eh?

Now you just sound like an idiot. It's not a SUPERCHARGER, its a TURBOCHARGER. It runs on exhaust thus doesn't decrease the power like a supercharger does. The reason it's benefits are better as the RPMS go up is because the exhaust driving the rotor is proportionate to the RPM level. But it's benefits are still existent below 3000 indeed. I guess thats why the GT-R which has a VERY similar engine to the 370z, gets almost twice the 0-60 time using twin turbos? haha.

All that aside, your argument is still retarded because how much of that 0-60 run are you going to be spending under 3k? There is a lag with turbos, but its only a lag in the boost pressure while the turbine spins up, not a lag in engine power.

Yes, random people have walked up and complimented my car, and do all the time. It's because true car-people understand how classy the car is and how good of a drivers car it is. Your car is just every ricer boy's dream. No true car enthusiast would respect your car. My paint is about 10x nicer than yours as well, pearl white ftw. It shines even in the dark, makes it look brand new. All I need to do is sand down the lips of my wheels because they were corroded by salted Spokane roads, and it will look as new as your 06 does.

Yes, i'm sure they do walk up to you while your kicking it with your local car club who all drive old civics with body kits and 3 different colors. Your car must look like a Ferrari to them! I hate white, and pearl white looks like like something a 50year old mary-kay saleslady would drive. I prefer my pearl black. And that old *** body style will never look brand new. Looks lose

looks win

The warranty doesn't matter, because even if my car decided to spontaneously combust into ashes, I still could buy two more before I have paid as much as you did for your car! Sell-back value is irrelevant, because I can get just as much out of my car a year later as I did when I bought it.
Tell me again why Mustang V8's are worthless? Even a 2000 Mustang GT performs better than your car, and is way more fun to drive. You can pick one up for about $5k right now.

Warranty and resale are the reasons to buy newer, i mean not to mention the fact that its NEWER. MUSTANGS ARE *****! end.

It's not an automatic, but it doesn't have a clutch. As I said before, I can shift with buttons on my PS3 controller. Big whoop-de-fuckin-do.

My car does have a clutch

Join the crowd? So it appears you have admitted that there is a vast majority of people that think that you wasted your money or that your car is a vagina. Maybe were it only one or two people, it wouldn't matter. But as many people that have said so, it should become obvious to you by now that you got the wrong car.

no because the bandwagon is to be a "hater" not to say ooo nice car, notice no one in this thread has commented on how "nice" your car is.

 

[nateberrier 10+ year member]

I bought a new car and its a 5speed, I have more control over it, I can go fast sometimes and save gas other times but I will agree that driving through alabama on the south end ******, 2miles-light 2miles-light over and over and over, got oldddd. lol